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Pay for Play: Workhorse Howard Gets a Bonus

Posted by Randy Lange on March 20, 2013 – 6:23 pm

A note out of the owners’ meetings in Phoenix. The NFL has announced its 2012 Performance-Based Pay distributions, and one Jet made it into the top 10 with his bonus: right tackle Austin Howard, whose league bonus was a cool $261,431.

Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict was the chart-topper with his $299,465 bonus in the NFL program that compensates players for playing time based on their salary levels. About $110.72 million will be distributed to players for their performance during last season.

Players have been paid nearly $700 million cumulatively since the inception of the Performance-Based Pay program, which was implemented as part of the NFL’s 2002 CBA with the NFL Players Association. The pool returns this year after not being in effect for the 2010 and ’11 league years.

Under the system, a fund is created and used as a supplemental form of player compensation based on a comparison of playing time to salary. Players become eligible to receive a bonus distribution in any regular season in which they play at least one official down.

Performance-Based Pay is computed by using a “player index.” To produce the index, a player’s regular-season playtime — total plays on offense, defense and special teams — is divided by his adjusted regular-season compensation — full season salary, prorated portion of signing bonus, earned incentives. Each player’s index is then compared to those of the other players on his team to determine the amount of his pay.

Unofficially, Howard participated in 1,073 of the Jets’ 1,074 offensive plays, missing his one play in the 29-26 overtime loss at New England in October. With his special teams work added in, he was in for 1,132 plays, the most by an offensive player on the Jets last season and second-most on the team behind LB David Harris’ 1,196 plays.

New Rules in the Books

The NFL passed six new rules for the coming season, with several worth noting here. The famous or infamous Tuck Rule, depending on your rooting interests, is no more, or at least has been modified so that when a passer loses the ball as he brings it back toward his body, it is now a fumble rather than an incompletion. Reportedly the rule passed, 29-1, with Pittsburgh the only team voting in favor of keeping the old Tuck Rule and New England and Washington abstaining.

Another rule that has drawn attention is the restrictions placed on ballcarriers and defensive players regarding forcible contact with the crown of the helmet. A number of current and former players have voiced some concerns and criticisms of this rule, but Jeff Fisher, Rams head coach and competition committee member, said after a 15-minute conversation with Eddie George, his former power back on the Titans, George changed his mind and said he would be in favor of that.

New Jets RB Mike Goodson also agreed. On his conference call with Jets reporters this afternoon, he said about striking a defender with the crown of the helmet, “I never thought you were supposed to do that anyway, so that probably won’t affect me that much.”


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78 Responses to “Pay for Play: Workhorse Howard Gets a Bonus”

  1. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Just as long as we didn’t have to pay all of it…

  2. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, this was reprinted on the NFL site from that same DAILY NEWS article that you said you couldn’t find: “Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reported Wednesday that Revis would get an average annual salary between $12 million and $13 million from the Buccaneers in a long-term contract. Sources told Mehta that Revis would agree to a contract “without much trouble.” To paraphrase Grand Funk Railroad, “I’m getting closer to my home…” — in South Florida.

  3. By kw65fan on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64…you should know better with that Daily New report about Revis. None other than Munish garbage writer informs about Revis trade from his sources..reliable sources (porter in the Golden Corral restrooms). Please, this guy just writes garbage all the time.

    Congrats to Howard…hope you come to camp in shape and ready to blast your opponents on the defense. Dolphins looking at Moore. Please Mr. GM…just 2 more signings..Slausen and Pollard…build the rest in the draft and then go after like crazy after the draft any remaining college players.

  4. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Finally, Rule change I’m in agreement with, I hate the tuck rule, either your play works or you make it happen,.play breaks down now the Payton Mannings and Tom Bradys have to run. or throw it away no more tummy tucks

  5. By scjoe on Mar 20, 2013 | Reply

    Burfict was a guy I spoke about often before last years draft, I prayed that the NYJ brain thrust would take this guy with a late pick or one of those compensatory picks they had. They didn’t! Turns out he would have gone right to the top of their LB core. Thank you one more time Mike Tannenbaum. By the way, where are those late round and compensatory picks that they did take?

  6. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hey folks, just got the word that I gotta deal with some health-related stuff, so you won’t see me on the site for awhile. Hold down the fort for me, I’ll make it back as soon as I can — maybe by then we’ll have traded Revis and drafted a QB!

  7. By IRA on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    I am all for the NFL to make whatever changes they feel are going to try and make it safer for the players except getting rid of the kickoff.
    Good to hear Howard got rewarded for his play. Knew they carried him for year and he was a nice find. He will only get better this year.

  8. By SCfromNY on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    For those complaining about the Jets losses and not much FA activity, you could be a Buffalo fan. My biggest concern is the QB spot. I am not convinced it will be a fair competition. I stll think if given an equal chance McElroy will shine in the WC offense.

  9. By kw65fan on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hope all is well Tom. You can still bring your laptop to the hospital…I’m sure they have a WiFi to connect to. Totally agree Ira…leave the kickoffs alone. This is turning into a flag football league. Can’t here…can’t hit there..geez…enuf already.

    Oh Lord now what. Manesh source was fired at Golden Corral. Who’s going to clean the bathrooms. Manesh spotted at Denny’s. Heavy conversation with the Fries cook.

  10. By Tom Spicer on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    NFL.com’s Bucky Brooks compared USC QB Matt Barkley to former NFL QB Chad Pennington.
    Brooks called Barkley one of the best “game managers” in college football and praised his intelligence. Barkley has some physical inadequacies but has shown in the past he can go through his keys and find his receiver. The key to him becoming a successful pro will be winning before the snap

  11. By Tom Spicer on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Pre draft Jets lineup:
    QB: Mark Sanchez
    RB: Mike Goodson*
    WR: Santonio Holmes
    WR: Jeremy Kerley
    WR: Stephen Hill
    TE: Jeff Cumberland
    LT: D’Brickashaw Ferguson
    LG: Vladimir Ducasse
    C: Nick Mangold
    RG: Willie Colon*
    RT: Austin Howard

  12. By Tom Spicer on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Defense
    LE: Muhammad Wilkerson
    RE: Quinton Coples
    NT: Kenrick Ellis
    ILB: David Harris
    ILB: Demario Davis
    OLB: Antwan Barnes*
    OLB: Garrett McIntyre
    RCB: Antonio Cromartie
    LCB: Kyle Wilson
    FS: Josh Bush
    SS: Antonio Allen

  13. By IRA on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, That 12-13 is about what he will get. The market for CB’s has dropped in large part due to the new CBA agreement with all positions plus CB’s today are just not worth much more than that. The game has changed and pass rushers are the D players that will get the better contracts.

  14. By Tom Spicer on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    New York has promising elements in the defensive front seven and one good cornerback (Cromartie). They remain needy at both safety positions, No. 2 corner, and outside linebacker. The Jets got trampled by the run last season, ranking dead last in the league. New GM John Idzik is going to have to find multiple starters in his seven-man draft class, which ideally will be supplemented via the inevitable Revis trade

  15. By Tom Spicer on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Sources tell the New York Daily News the parameters of a long-term deal are not the hang-up in talks between the Jets and Bucs about Darrelle Revis, and that the Bucs would pay Revis between $12-$13 million annually.
    Per reporter Manish Mehta, the sides are expected to come to a long-term agreement “without much trouble” if Revis is sent to Tampa. The problem remains Tampa’s reluctance to part with the No. 13 pick in next month’s draft. ESPN New York reported Tuesday the Jets are in “no rush” to make a move, and willing to wait for 2014 compensation

  16. By Karan on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hey JetfanTom 64′, I’ll keep talking about how Sanchez needs a really good team around him to succeed while irritating some with my comments and I’ll complain some more about Tannenbaum but on a more serious note, good luck and take care of yourself with the health sir. We’ll be waiting for your analogy and comments as the Jets offseason continues!

  17. By Karan on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    kw65fan, I would love for the Jets to sign Pollard and re-sign Slauson but I don’t see any of those happening. By now, at least Slauson should have been re-signed. I would personally like a Slauson and Edwards re-signing and either a Pollard or Landry signing.

  18. By Karan on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Looks like I spoke to soon, Pollard just agreed in terms with the Titans on a one-year contract. That’s a bummer, well, let’s hope Landry can be a good replacement for now. There’s still a lot of free-agent DBs out there.

  19. By Karan on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Jets should trade Kyle Wilson to Tampa. That’ll never happen but you can always hope. Vladimir Ducasses and Tim Tebow need to cut ASAP.

  20. By kw65fan on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Darn it…Pollard signed for1 year deal on the cheap. should of grabbed him. Go get Landry. We need some experience back there with the safeties…Geez. Spicer hooked on the Manish…Munish…whatever phoney name he throws out there.

    Manish siteing at Arby’s. passing notes under bathroom stall down in Tampa. I guess the Denny’s cook didn’t pan out. Sources are better at White Castle in the Bronx. Well that’s what Serby of the Post says.

  21. By Chicago Bob on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Good for the Jets not getting Pollard, we already have one guy in the locker room (Holmes) who is considered a bad egg. The Titans represent the 4th team Pollard has been with since he entered the league in 2006 – THAT is enough to raise a red flag. Take into consideration his senior year at Purdue and he had differences with Joe Tiller, one of the classiest and respected coaches you could ever meet. The Ravens couldn’t wait to get rid of this guy – and they won a Super Bowl! And you want to bring him into a locker room with a bunch of young kids? Yeah, he would be a great influence on them. Might as well sing Santonio Holmes to an extension.

  22. By GaryC on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,while recuperating I promise not to bring up Fig Newton or David Clowney in any conversations.

  23. By Byrdman on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    64Tom – Sorry to hear about your health issues my friend,
    Guess it’s up to me to keep Radar from signing every washed-up
    Physically disabled, mentally circumcised, cross-eyed has been and never was
    FA to guaranteed 10 year deals ( you know who you are lol)

    Well, Good for Austin “workhorse” Howard!
    When he first arrived, some felt he’d instantly be an upgrade over Hunter.
    He looked shaky for a while but has turned into a serviceable RT.

    Now we face the frightening prospect of Vlad Ducasse starting at LG
    Anybody else think this team needs to draft a Guard and Tackle ?

  24. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks for the kind thoughts, kw65, Karan, GaryC, and anyone else, I hope to be back soon enough to annoy scjoe and others with my belief that Heyward-Bey, whom Cimini officially lists today as someone whom the Jets are interested in, wouldn’t be an entirely worthless pick-up. Ira, I think you’re right about the market for CBs. Now I just have to talk to Anthem Blue Cross about where they get their weird ideas on the market for my health care premium…

  25. By Byrdman on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    When I saw Vontaze Burfick still there in the 6th round I thought
    “Rex will jump all over this guy for sure”

    With our 2 extra picks Tanny selected an out of shape guard and slow footed RB that promptly got cut – in 7th he took small school WR Jordan White who couldn’t make it on to last years pro-bowl wideout depth chart

  26. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Byrdman, that’s really funny about your gatekeeper mission on this site!

  27. By jetpete on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Although I read more than I make comments, Just want to wish Jet fan Tom well. Again I have to hear Rex say Sackchez will get the first snap. Hope thats all he gets. Wonder how fair this QB competition will be?? Mac should fair well with MM offense. Go Jets.

  28. By MIKE on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Spicers starters are bang on for now. I can’t see McIntyre starting at OLB or Antonio Allan as well. Really hoping Ducasse gets cut. Would imagine that Jets go pass rusher at #9. If the Jets get the Bucs #1 than if Matt Barkley is still there then take him.

    Don’t throw Barkley under a bus just yet. Just because he wears the same college jersey as Sanchez doesn’t mean he’s Sanchez. Barkley is a much more accurate passer and decision maker than MS and is far better at this point than MS ever was. He also isn’t a pretty boy.

  29. By scjoe on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    64, just got the memo, hope everything turns out OK. Gonna miss you around here, guess I gotta double up on GaryC (LOL) Get well my friend, speak to you soon.

  30. By scjoe on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Agree with Chicago Bob, there is a reason Pollard has been on 4 different teams in the last 4 years.

  31. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks, jetpete, things will just be a bit hectic for me for awhile and I won’t have much time to post…though I doubt I’ll be able to resist reading the posts, like you say…

  32. By Stevesc on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Jet fan 54 Tom, I wish you well and good luck with whatever you’re dealing with. I’ll miss your insight, wit and banter with everyone on this blog. Take care.

  33. By ivesufferedtolong on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    am i the only jet fan tired of reading and hearing about revis. the guy is selfish and annoying. i personally think richard sherman from seattle is a better cornerback than revis

  34. By IRA on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    Tom,
    I like Allen but he is stil raw and Bush has a long way to go. Both starting safeties are not on the roster right now.
    It would be fitting when the Jets announce they have traded Revis they hold the presser at the Roscoe Diner!

  35. By Byrdman on Mar 21, 2013 | Reply

    64 Tom, It’s a dirty job but… If I can save one soul on Radar from losing their mind agonizing over available FA’s Jets coulda, woulda, shoulda signed
    - then it will have been worth it :D

  36. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Managing to sit up in bed to post, I must compliment you, Chicago Bob, on your post on how we don’t need any more problem children. A story that I suspect will stay unwritten until both Mr T and Rex are gone is that of what was the weird conscious — or was it unconscious? — decision and when was it made to go after all these guys with all these personal and attitude problems? I mean, a DL guy from a nothing school who might get deported? If you wanted to turn the Jets into a less historically-Super Bowl-friendly version of the Raiders, you couldn’t have done a better job.

  37. By joe-retired li/fla on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Hi everyone! don’t have much to say. i’am watching & waiting” like everyone else to see what “our” team does. ’64 Tom please get well-ASAP, we need ya!

  38. By GaryC on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,in your abscense,Scjoe sounds like he is going to make me a dart board,coming at me from all angles.

  39. By scjoe on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    This one goes out to all of my debate partners, sort of a sidebar to the FA/Draft debate (although I never downplayed the draft like most of you downplay free agency) anyway, your collective thoughts on, why you think teams such as Indy, GB, Houston, Minn, even Chicago, all in need of a WR, all who pick in the bottom third of the draft, don’t make an offer for a RFA like Cruz? (NYG 1st round tender) At least one of them will pick a WR in the 1st round, why not go after a proven, quality, WR who is very productive and has not even reached his prime yet? Why take a chance on a “Stephen Hill” type?

  40. By scjoe on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer, don’t like either of the safety spots, like the LG spot even less. Also concerned about both WR spots, one do to injury, one do to the fact he can’t catch the ball.

  41. By IRA on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, Get well soon!

  42. By kleckofan on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe & Byrd- I agree on the Burfict issue, we should have scooped him up. I know he had some character questions, lots of late hits etc, but being out on Pac 10 land I saw him play a lot and we blew that one.
    JFT64- HIPAA prevents me from saying too much…just kidding, whatever you’re dealing w I hope you come out better than when you went in. Give ‘em #eLL!
    That old phrase about health being the most precious gift goes neglected until your health is threatened.

  43. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, stevesc, GaryC, Byrdman, and joe-retired, thanks for your support, even a few days away from my usual near-constant posting is like trying to kick a heroin addiction (and no, don’t worry, that’s NOT my problem at the moment!). I hope to make it back to more full-time posting ASAP. Meanwhile, Byrdman, make sure nobody starts talking about spending all the money that Idzik’s just saved on Dumervil or Urlacher! P.S. to Ira: Love the Roscoe Diner symbolism idea!

  44. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    And yeah, GaryC, you’ll just have to step it up in the face of scjoe, he’s taking no prisoners in his wrong-headed, half-hearted defense of Rex and FA’s. Who knows who he’ll start defending next! (The EU in Cyprus? Dennis Rodman in North Korea? The Hostra basketball coach?)

  45. By Mike Jet Vet on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64 we started out on the same page, We still are other then about Rex time will tell on that one, That said hope all is well with you, I also see your hiatus didn’t last one day, already posting Ha just kidding,

  46. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah, it’s hard to stay away, MJV, but also hard to engage in my usual freewheeling, multi-part posts at the moment. (I guess I’ll leave that to Dr. Frank for now.) But yeah, we’re all Jet brothers and sisters here and we all need to stick together. It’s precisely because I think everybody’s experience is eminently valuable and worth celebrating that I often mention some of mine. But that doesn’t mean it’s the best experience, much less the only important experience. For what it’s worth, if I could trade places in life, there’s lots of folks I’d do it with…starting with, of course, Wesley Walker…

  47. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's In It For Real on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    And thanks to you, too, Ira, for the good wishes! I’m sure by well before the draft I’ll be asking you to keep an eye on some of our UFA’s when you go to Cortland this summer.

  48. By GaryC on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Jetfantom,you will like this,it is almost the anniversary of the Tebow trade,I was on my Asian excursion last year when it happened,right at the time of the NCAA tournament,I wonder if the jets will celebrate that moment by making the Revis trade soon.

  49. By GaryC on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe,I know you will take this with a grain of salt but here goes,I believe teams still would rather have their picks then trade it for compensation on a UFA.As good as Cruz has been,I don’t put him up there with Julio Jones,Calvin Johnson and the like,those are the guys that teams will give up a number one for.

  50. By "Stayloaded" Rick on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    Does any of you think Sanchez should give back some money to help this team, because it would be the right thing to do,since he is part of the money problem. other players are doing it.

  51. By Frank on Mar 22, 2013 | Reply

    64 is going to get his fingers re-attached!!!!! Good luck brother.
    I really hope Woodzik doesn’t mess the Revis trade up. Supposedly the Bucs are offering their first and second next year that to me is a GREAT deal. If they don’t get a deal done by the draft you can bet this is going to blow up in their face. At this point I think there is zero chance Revis will ever re-sign with the Jets and certainly not for any discount.
    There is no doubt this team will be at the top of the draft board next year and I would love to have that extra pick if needed to draft the top rated QB next year. I would love to see Johnny Football in green!!!!!!!
    They better not draft any QB in the first round this year!!!!!!!!!!!

  52. By Charliejet on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64 I do more reading here(some very insightful, some just plain stupid) than posting and yes it can be an addiction – but anyway hope all will be well with you.

  53. By Jets Fan Since '64 Tom Temporarily on the Sidelines on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks a lot, Frank and Charliejet, and GaryC, if you’re implying that there’s any causal link between you in Asia and Tebow on the Jets, please go to Tijuana this yr!

  54. By Charliejet on Mar 23, 2013 | Reply

    Frank Tom 64 is not getting his fingers re-attached. He has joined N.Y.J.A.
    (New York Jets Anonymous). He is an addict like the rest of us.
    N.Y.J.A. 4 Step program:

    1) We are powerless over the games, but not powerless in telling other fans to
    %@^&%$ !!

    2) Recognize the higher power of the football gods.

    3) We have made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves — and have found nothing wrong.

    4) Continued to take the inventory of other fans and when they are wrong, then promptly and repeatedly tell them about it.

    Signed,

    Charliejet (fellow NYJ/Blog addict)

  55. By GaryC on Mar 24, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,I don’t know if Revis can play soccer though.

  56. By Byrdman on Mar 24, 2013 | Reply

    OK Scjoe, I’ll take a shot at answering your question re: Cruz
    I don’t claim to be an authority on the GB Packers but, living in Michigan and watching the Lions go 0-19 at Lambeau, motivated me to take a long look at that franchise.
    Last year,the day before another humiliating debacle against the Pack, a local Detroit radio station interviewed GB coach McCarthy, here’s a sample of that exchange:
    (radio host) “Coach you guys have had the Lions number the last decade or so, help us out here what are we doing wrong, is it something in the air out there in GB”? (laughs)
    (McCarthy) “Well,, we have a system here, its been very successful for us (host-yeah no kidding) we scout players in college we’re extremely confident will fit (cont)>

  57. By Byrdman on Mar 24, 2013 | Reply

    (cont) our template so to speak. (host) Does that explain why you,,Uh correct me if I’m wrong here coach but GB isn’t exactly a destination city for NFL free agents. (both laughing) McCarthy “Hey we’ve got some great fishing up here LOL” (host) “yeah..ice fishing tournaments in August” (coach) “Think I’ve said too much already guys (laughs) ..you keep doing what your doing in Detroit, don’t want to give away the keys to our city, know what I mean”?

    After hearing that interview I looked up the players the Packers drafted and FA’s they acquired to construct their 2010 SB team
    From 06 thru 2011 (6 years) they only needed 3 free agents, you can’t sign half a player so obviously in 3 of those seasons they signed NO FA’s,ZERO!

  58. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Temporarily on the Sidelines on Mar 24, 2013 | Reply

    Very true, Charliejet, just a minute ago the group leader was telling me to accept that I can’t personally get Rex fired…

  59. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on the Mend on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah, Byrdman, and one of the guys GB picked with a #3 was some guy named Matthews, if I recall correctly. I don’t know if Revis can play soccer, GaryC…but I’m sure he thinks he’s “one of the best players out there” in that sport, too!

  60. By ronbo on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    Geez, I go away a few days to celebrate my 30th anniversary with the warden(ehhh my lovely bride)& I come back to find out my good buddy T-64 has health issues? Hey bro, luv ya buddy so dont go pulling a Wally Pipp on us cause Spicer(or any other of us here)aint exactly Lou Gerhig as you are irreplaceable here on Randy’s radar.So get your butt back here asap!!!

  61. By ronbo on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER,always appreciate your efforts to provide info here, lets just hope there are at least 4 new draft picks that replace McIntyre at OLB,Ducasse at G,either or both of the S’s, and obviously anybody but Mark Sanchez at Q.B. BYRDMAN, I will do my best to assist you in T64′s absence.Speaking of missing guys here, does anybody here know whats up with BENNETT?I recall a while ago he had some heart issues but seemed to be doing o.k?Havn’t seen any posts from him in a couple of months?

  62. By IRA on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    To all have a Happy and Healthy Passover and Easter!
    GO JETS!!!!

  63. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on the Mend on Mar 25, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks, Ronbo, since injuries on the Jets have gone up so markedly since the arrival of “Rex the Great Motivator Except When It Comes to His Players Training for and Getting Up for the Games,” I hesitate to post on my own injury problems. So all I’ll say is that the medical issue in my case isn’t life-threatening but rather annoying and must be treated. Once it is, I’ll be able to sit and stare in disbelief at the computer screen in the face of Rex’s awful decisions much more easily. Same to you about the holidays, Ira!

  64. By scjoe on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, good point about those 4 draft picks, I would like to see rounds 1-5 address 1- OLB, 2- QB/RB 3-RB/QB 4-G/S 5-S/G where we differ slightly is, I’m not sure at this point if that OLB should replace McIntyre OR Barnes. I liked McIntyre’s progress, despite 64s claim that Rex hasn’t developed ANYONE. I think he has some pass rushing potential. But I would be shocked, barring injury, if both McIntyre and Barnes, AND that high draft pick aren’t all in the mix. See, now you know what I mean when I say that those 7 draft picks are just not enough, especially when 4 of them never make the final cut.

  65. By ronbo on Mar 26, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, I.m no psyhic but I’m betting this draft will produce 7 out of 7 guys that make this roster & contribute.I’m hopeing for 4 starters if we dont trade Revis.If we make the deal I’m thinking 5 to 6 new starters.There is a lot of talent in this draft.Not so much at the top but rds 3 through 5 are much better than last year and there are guys that will be picked in rds 6&7 that will also be better than last years draft.Plus we dont have Ole Tanney screwing it up this year.I agree with you on how we should use the picks but if the right T.E is there I would take him!

  66. By scjoe on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t know Ron, 7 making the roster with 4 starters? I hope you are right, but you know me, I have to see it to believe it. Best case, they get the trade done with TB for picks this year, AND they trade down one of those 1st rounder’s for a couple more picks, then there may be a good chance to come away with 4 or 5 starters.

  67. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on the Mend on Mar 27, 2013 | Reply

    What both of you seem to be forgetting, Ronbo and scjoe, or at least downplaying, intentionally or otherwise, is that winning a “starter’s” spot on this team at many positions isn’t going to be all that hard this year.

  68. By ronbo on Mar 28, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, lets remember Mike Tannenbaum is not makeing the picks this year so that alone should be a major improvement! As Coples & S.Hill(though by default in Hills case)started or played semi major roles(again till Hill was injured)and D.Davis should be a factor this season.One can conclude if Tanney can come up with 3 players plus the 2 safty’s who eventyally made it on to the roster Idzik had better do a better job.As this draft is deeper in the mid to late rounds I see no reason a good job of scouting and selecting(plus a little luck) cant get us the 7 for 7 we need.

  69. By scjoe on Mar 28, 2013 | Reply

    64, don’t be to sure about that! Based strictly on the past (because that is all we know for sure) I watched all to many draft picks came through the front door and right out the back door. You know this to be true. Like everything else we have been discussing recently, we will have to take a wait and see approach. We will have to see if Idzik trumps Tannenbums selection methods, or if he has better luck then Tbum did in the process.

  70. By scjoe on Mar 28, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, as I just stated to 64, yes, I know Tbum is not in the picture anymore (Thank God!) BUT, that in itself guarantees nothing! You know exactly what the draft is, you know there are no guarantees, you know there are no “sure things” you can have an undrafted FA come in and step in to a starting roll (Chrebet) and on the other hand you can have a 1st rounder come in and bust! (Gholston, Sanchez) We will have our answers sometime around mid October at the earliest, unless of course they are SO bad they don’t even make the final cut.

  71. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on the Mend on Mar 28, 2013 | Reply

    You’re still resisting reality in a particularly curious way, scjoe. It takes no great insight to see that under Idzik, as opposed to under Mr T, we will at least HAVE a decent number of draft choices. But I admit, it takes a bit of serious analysis, which you strangely seem to have taken a vacation from here and there of late, not to understand that the way Idzik is handling the roster and FA suggests an entirely different approach to personnel. I guess you won’t be convinced until after the draft, but I can see it coming in the lack of excitement over mediocrities, the lack of ridiculously outsized pronouncements on the future, and most of all the lack of the slightest concern for Rex, who’s been reduced to a discontinued mascot.

  72. By scjoe on Mar 30, 2013 | Reply

    64, Kipers column is pretty lengthy, but I will try to state the basics. Like me, he does not buy the “rebuilding” theory for this particular club. He states that the D, even with the recent losses is still pretty sound, and should even get better with a high round pass rusher. The majority of the problems in 2012 can be attributed to the offense where Shonn Greene, who came in at #44 among qualifying runners last year with a 2.1 avg YPC after contact, will not be missed, he is not the power back some perceived him to be and he certainly is not a speed back, factor in the quality, or lack there of at the WR position and the dreadful play from the QB position and you had a virtual 3 and out machine…..

  73. By scjoe on Mar 30, 2013 | Reply

    …You wonder how the D played as well as it did under those circumstances. Now, the offense “should” improve at least to a point where it can complement the D, just the return of Holmes and the presence of MM (OC) should assure that, even if (God forbid, just my add in) Mark Sanchez wins the QB competition, you also have to assume that S. Hill will show major improvement from 2012. He goes on to say that the NYJ offense was just dreadful last season but still managed to go 6-10. It will take a couple of good moves at key positions to turn this club around. I will cut and paste his last paragraph in the article………

  74. By scjoe on Mar 30, 2013 | Reply

    It all starts at quarterback, but at least the new front office is taking a healthier approach to the idea of competition at the position headed into a new season. Every year we see teams we reflexively wrote off before the season make major strides and land back in the playoffs. The Jets were a total disaster in 2012 yet were still 6-10. This isn’t a total rebuild; it’s a team that could get better both through the draft and because, in some areas, it’ll be hard-pressed to play any worse.

  75. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on the Mend on Mar 31, 2013 | Reply

    Well, you’re the last guy on this site I’d expect to hear expressing such confidence in Hill, scjoe. But while I got to read Kiper’s thing and he made some pts, I have no idea why he thinks this isn’t a total rebuild or why the Jets, of all teams, aren’t LONG overdue for one. 6-10 with a couple of very lucky or unimpressive wins isn’t far from 4-12, our likely record for 2013. Anyway, Idzik clearly doesn’t care about our 2013 record and if Woody cared, he’d allow Rex to go on the warpath in the press and try to challenge Idzik. No, our lack of interest in mediocre vet QBs will mirror our lack of interest in mediocre college QBs and if Sanchez has to start some games in a meaningless yr, Idzik couldn’t care less. Smart fans won’t either.

  76. By scjoe on Mar 31, 2013 | Reply

    64, I was quoting Kiper re: S. Hill. Am I as confident as him? NO! But you never know. I have to give him the benefit of the doubt at least. Now, why does Kiper believe this is not a total rebuild? Because like you and I, he has seen many 4-12, 5-11 bottom dwellers turn it completely around in just one off season and make the playoff’s. Why not this year as well? He understands that a few good moves in key areas can turn this team around. For some strange reason you seem to believe that that theory is totally impossible. Even though it has become almost commonplace in this league.

  77. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on the Mend on Apr 1, 2013 | Reply

    It IS impossible with a starting QB as bad as ours, scjoe. When you add a HC who thinks that QB is great and who knows nothing about O, then add an O line, RBs, WRs, and TEs that pretty much have to be rebuilt from scratch, it’s beyond impossible and into realm of the delusionary. If there’s an Andrew Luck in this yr’s QB draft that I don’t know about and we also pick up those 7 starters that Ronbo says we might get in this yr AND next yr’s draft, yeah, I suppose it’s possible we could go more than 8-8 in 2014. But it sure doesn’t sound PROBABLE when the really good QBs seem to be in the 2014 draft yr.

  78. By scjoe on Apr 3, 2013 | Reply

    64, the only thing that is delusionary is the fact that you still believe it IS impossible to turn an NFL club around in a single off season, even when it has been done repeatedly. You continue to mention the QB, who I already know about, and don’t factor in to the turnaround. Just wondering, what will 64 say, or do, “if” that turnaround does happen and the NYJ DO make the 2013 playoff’s, will you want to give it (the season) back?

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