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Reports: Jets OK Bucs to Talk with Darrelle Revis

Posted by Randy Lange on April 21, 2013 – 9:17 am

According to media reports, the Jets have given permission to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to speak with cornerback Darrelle Revis and to give him a physical. The Jets have not commented on the reports.


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177 Responses to “Reports: Jets OK Bucs to Talk with Darrelle Revis”

  1. By Jack on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I’m hoping that the Jets can get this trades done before the drafts and I’m hoping that the Jets get a 1st Rd’s in this year drafts.

  2. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    sooner the better

  3. By Mathew on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Geno Smith at pick 9 Tavon Austin at pick 13

  4. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    If it is not a “RUMOR”… It’s about time. Now lets get the #13 pick before Friday.

  5. By lou on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Let”s pile up them draft picks!!!!!!

  6. By Dr. Frank on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I would like to see him traded for a first and a 2nd round pick NEXT year. I think it will be a stronger draft. Even a 1st and 3rd will do. I would even consider a first this year and a second next year. They have to get good value for him somehow. They have to be in a position to get a top CB to take his spot and I don’t think that will happen until next year as Dee Millner will be gone before they pick this year. If they get the picks this year, then I think they should trade down to get extra picks this year or next year…

  7. By kw65fan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    About time. They said if Revis is NOT examined by Monday…al deals are off. Hope to get this done and have some news by mid-week so Idzik can further examine his position, Ideally to trade down with this pick would be perfect unless Jones is available and also that DB from Alabama Milliner is available…then don’t trade down and get both of them. Work on OL in second round then go from there in selecting beat player available.

  8. By joe on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    jet are getting more then a first round pick sad day for jet fan

  9. By Anthony on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Typical Jets trade one of ur best players in jet history cause of Money. Keep calling me to see if I want to spend money on psl an season tickets. Woody sell the team if u can’t afford it

  10. By Tom Spicer on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I am reading the trade is a done deal if the Bucs like what they see with Revis today. It said we will see the exact details Sunday or Monday. They are saying it is this years 1st (13th) pick, a 3rd & a 5th round pick. If Idzik gets the 3rd & the 5th this year. I will be very VERY happy with this deal. With a 2 firsts (9th & 13th), a 2nd, 2 3rd’s, a 4th & 2 fifths. We can fills alot of holes & if Idzik drafts well we can compete next year. Also we have so many holes we can take the best player out there & we do not have to worry about there position

  11. By Pete on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    This is why we are laughed at.

  12. By RONBO on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Jack, we better get a lot more than a 1 in this draft.Apparently this is a done deal if Mevis passes the Buc’s physical.From what video I have seen this basically a done deal as mevis looks great!Now the question becomes what are we getting back?This will be a tough sell if its only a 1 this year and some combination of picks next year? I’m hopeing its a 1,3 & a 5 this year and a conditional pick next year as well.

  13. By tj on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    this better not be happing #keep revis

  14. By dj volvyz on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    no don’t trade revis.

  15. By Fred Manzella on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I hope the Jets are smart enough to take multiple picks in this years draft instead of a 1st in 2013 and another in 2014. I believe a two, three and maybe a five in this year is preferable. As far as Revis is concerned, every time he gets near his contract he is a problem. You cannot afford to give a DB $15 million a year.

  16. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    No longer a rumor. Revis is going to be in Tampa for a workout and physical 4-22-2013 As well as see how much he can gain is a salary. It appears we will have the 9th and 13th pick in the drafts as well as a 2nd round pick…..

  17. By Steven Jesus Yepez on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    the jets should stay with darrelle revis .mainly because cromartie cant do it on his own. and the other side of the field is weak. if the jets deside for a trade how bout getting and good skilled as talented as Revis ., knowing its possible that no 1 could be Darrelle Revis. Keep Darrelle Revis!!!

  18. By adam on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    i hope its a 1st and 3rd this yeay and a conditional 3rd next year that could turn to a 2nd if he stays healthy and plays x amount of games

  19. By Shane on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I’m no longer a fan. Revis is a once in a generation player. You trade him because you don’t want to pay him? Yet you spend $8 million guaranteed on Sanchez last year – because you were worried his feelings were hurt? Well, thats it for me. You’ve now lost a fan who has rooted for you for a generation. No more buying tickets or merchandise and no more cheering from me. Woody, you don’t know how to run a franchise.

  20. By Karan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Haven’t posted on here for a while. Just want to say I’m happy the trade is getting done, Don’t know the full details yet but as long as it involves the 13th pick this year, I’m fine. Idzik also looking to trade down in the draft. I am a bit disappointed that things had come to this, I only say this because Revis is an outstanding football player, best corner no doubt, but the guy just demands too much. Gang Green was 3rd or 5th ranked in terms of pass defense without him last season I believe, so we’ll be fine without him for the future. Cro will do a great job. Can’t wait till the draft now. Wish you were satisfied with what you had Revis! We”ll miss your skills and island, but its time to move on!

  21. By Ted De on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Are they crazy? Revis goes and so do I been a ticket holder for years. Santonio Holmes is the one that needs to go. This is the worst news so far this season. Historically the Jets make bad draft choices.

  22. By Uncle Joe on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Now with one 1st rounder we move up for a pass rusher and the other 1st rounder we move down for a PASSER!

  23. By scjoe on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Obviously there are more who feel mixed emotions about the Revis trade as I. It is difficult to replace who many believe is the top CB in the league. He made the DCs job much easier by what he brought to the field. Consider, if the NYJ select a CB in the 1st round to replace DR the drop off will be dramatic. So, what it will come down to is what the rest of the compensation brings. If they get a franchise QB or a pro bowl caliber OLB, OG, or safety with one of those additional picks it would be a coup. If they get little or nothing???? Your up Mr. I.

  24. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    NFL site is reporting that the trade is actually a done deal and will be finalized by tonight or tomorrow morning. Cimini’s going nuts, now that there’s a real story to report that doesn’t reflect badly on the Jets. I say that not least because I couldn’t care less what the picks are, getting rid of Revis for anything more than we’d get for him in a compensation pick next yr is a great move.

  25. By IRA on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    This was the right move to make. Wish Revis could have finished his career as a Jet but it wasn’t in the best interest of the Jets to move forward and invest in a CB with the type of money he was asking for.
    Good Luck to D and hope he has a great career except for the opener this year.
    Now i would be surprised if they don’t trade down and and get an extra pick with one of their 1st rd picks.
    If they truely have confidence in one of the QB’s they will grab one in the 1st rd. I am hoping its EJ but i would be happy with Nassib too.
    And if that happens i expect Sanchez to get traded in August.

  26. By Vincent on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Now why are you guys going to get rid of your best defensive player. Why cause he got hurt last year and now your skeptical on his ability to play. So many times I’ve seen my favorite team make so many mistakes and you’re going to make the biggest one of all again. I’m a firm believer in if it isn’t broke than don’t try and fix it. That team pretty much had something 3 years ago and somewhere my favorite team lost it. I hope we pull it together this year. Cause I believe every year should be our year.

  27. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Cro’s mouthing off about the Revis trade as if this is still the Rex-run Jets on which everybody follows the HC’s lead and says whatever he feels like publicly no matter what the consequences for the team. And I find it interesting, scjoe, that self-interest proves to be at the heart of Cro’s complaint when he says that as an 8-yr vet he’s “too old to talk about rebuilding.” After that Cro lapses into fantasies of how if everyone just “buys in to Rex” (and presumably to “Mark”), we can win it all this yr. Well, folks, I’ll stick with the talk, spreading like wildfire today, that Idzik’s looking to trade down to get as many quality picks as possible. THIS IS REBUILDING, FOLKS, and it’s a lot smarter than what we’ve been doing the last 2 yrs!

  28. By Arte Olde School Section 327 on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    The Same Old Jets Are History JetsNation! Say goodbye to over-priced diva’s who have no consideration for the team whatsoever other than themselves.
    As much as it hurts I am so excited by the potential of two first round draft picks being managed by a winner in John Idzik! Austin and Geno would be interesting or Mingo and Warmack or how about Milliner and Jarvis Jones. Bring it on 2013! I like!! At Lot!! Bring some change into the house and watch we rebuild overnight! Love it! Can’t wait for real now baby!! Bring it on! The NEW York Jets are born again!!

  29. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    No, Pete, we’re laughed at because we’re always acting like we’re much better than we’re even close to being, and that tendency has gotten exponentially worse under Rex with “Mark” at QB. Idzik’s taking the clear-eyed and exact opposite approach, that we have very little talent, very little chance of competing for a yr or 2, and that we need to start all over. Long, long overdue. Anthony, I don’t know where you’ve been for the last couple of yrs but if you’re only going to check in to say that the best move the Jets have made in yrs is the worst, maybe you’re better off without season tickets. But check back in a yr or 2 when we have a real HC, a real QB, and a real shot of going more than 8-8.

  30. By joe on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    revis earned every penny he got but i do understand why they did it just not as confident on their drafting these are the type of players you keep but the jets have a history of not paying their good players just overpay for average players this is a tough day for a jet fan wanted revis to go the hall as a jet we don’t have that many in there revis i hope you continue your brillance you’ll be missed

  31. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Shane, try to keep in mind that it was MR T who extended Sanchez’s deal and it’s IDZIK who’s trading Revis, okay? Different FO’s, different approaches, you dig? And I think Ira’s on the right track that if we draft a QB and he looks good enough by August, Sanchez could be traded for whatever we can get for him as long as the other team picks up a lot of his deal. The alternative for Sanchez — carrying the clipboard while a rookie starts and Garrard grooms him — may prove too humiliating for hjim. But that’s fine with me, the humiliated ones have been us Jet fans for far too long, let SEA or somebody else put up with MS. As for Rex, this team is so totally NOT going to be of his doing that he’ll be gone soon enough.

  32. By Karan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Glad the deal is done. $96M – 6 years, even Revis has to be satisfied with that. Jets get a 1st round this year and essentially a 3rd rounder in 2014. I kind of expected we would get more picks for this year, don’t get me wrong, I’m glad we have a 1st rounder but I thought the Bucs initially offered more picks this season. Looks like Idzik will trade down the 9th pick. I honestly just want the Jets to draft a Guard (Warmack really) or a pass rusher (Jordan ideally, but he’ll be gone before 9 or 13). Just please draft smart, like Idziks moves so far. Get the QB some help with legit weapons, personally I’d love for the Jets to re-sign Edwards still. And I won’t stop asking this until it ends, but why is Tim Tebow still on this roster?!

  33. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    It’s official, HE’S GONE! And the name of the game is picks this year and next! One down, “Mark” and Rex to go…

  34. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Ted DE,Shane. I hear you guys, and it’s understandable. But He isn’t being traded because of injury, Revis is as BAD for the team morally, loyalty, honorably, as he is good at CB, The kid held out his rookie season before ever hitting the practice facility, got his deal then decided all the millions given him wasn’t enough, so low and behold he held out again breaking his contract. disrupting the whole org. never thinking about fans, teammates,. lets not forget his injured Hammy because he wasn’t in camp shape, our reward for giving into his demands, so he got his blackmail money once again, add insult to injury no pun intended that very year he stated he may hold out for money once again. Then the knee injury, Bye Revis GL

  35. By Jack on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Don’t forget to watch jets nation at 7pm tonight to see if jets will be traded on monday. 9th pick hoping Milliner falls to the 9th pick hey you never know if not Jets will need to draft CB, Xavier Rhodes. 13th pick OLB, Jarvis Jones or Barkevious Mingo either one that might be still on the board if both gone Jets better off just talking a OG, maybe like G, Jonathan Cooper or RT, D.J Fluker. 2nd Rd’s pick or picks WE GOT IT THE DEAL IS DONE REVIS A BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  36. By scjoe on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    When we talk about “over priced diva’s” wouldn’t it be fair to assume that Jarvis Jones, Dion Jordan, Warmack, Mingo or any other player the NYJ select in this draft could also become an “over priced diva” in 2017 when their rookie contract expires, even if they have accomplished only half of what Revis did? You think maybe they will demand top pay at their position or demand a trade? Does anyone really believe Revis is an anomaly? Revis is the typical pro athlete of today, pay me what I think I’m worth OR trade me. The problem is not going to go away after the trade, it will only move on.

  37. By Jack on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Revis is a Bucs 96Mill

  38. By charliejet on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Boomer Esiasan said this was a done deal over a week ago..guess he has reliable sources..with that said, GOOD! lets’s start the rebuilding and Rex should be gone before the 2014 season ends..should be interesting to see what Idzik does with this team. No more soundbites no more, no more “you know” between every sentence or poor excuses as per Tannanenbaum.

  39. By davetharave on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hard to find reasons why I want to remain a fan of this team . . . been following the Jets since 1967, through all the ups and downs, ALL of them … this is pretty close to rock bottom especially when the light of last season shines directly on current events. This team and organization has completely lost its’ direction and is incapable of inspiring any real bond with fans old or new. A good draft isn’t going to change any of that. This is like losing an old friend ……………….

  40. By Richard Ferreira on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Revis deal had to be done. Money he wanted would have hampered the team for years to come. Now Idzik will be judged on the talent drafted. He will be held accountable for the future development of the Jets. Ryan would have to have the team finish 9-6 minimum to keep his job. Anything less = curtains.

    Second, Revis $96 mil contract extension with no guaranteed money only shows that Revis Camp is all about “Pay Me Now”!!!! Not a smart contract.

  41. By scjoe on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Well, to all of us who were already planning on who to select with ALL of those draft pics from TB, we can all relax! There will be only 1 (ONE!) in 2013 and only ONE in 2014, a 3rd rounder at best! Still think Idzik comes off as the genius 64? I think TB got a steal, there was no one in this draft that could have made more of an impact then D Revis at 13. Take the salary out of the equation because some teams consider winning more important. The 3rd OR 4th round pick next year is almost insignificant. Somehow after listening to all the hype here about Idzik, I expected much more!

  42. By IRA on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Considering Revis is coming off an ACL injury the deal makes sense for both sides. Would have liked to have gotten three picks but it is what it is. Its safe to say they will either trade down with the 9th or 13th pick. They really have to land a pass rusher and Jones is the guy not Mingo.

  43. By Frank Verde on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I’m gratified to see fans bemoaning the imminent loss of our great CB, Darrelle. It’s difficult for us mere mortals to comprehend the effort, dedication and talent required to be the best. The fact that his peers study his tapes to improve their own play–and declare him the best– says it all. I’m very disappointed, but the best deserves to be paid the best. “Sour Grapes” is not my MO. It’ not his fault we can’t afford him. It’s the parity cycle of the NFL. This is part of what the cap was designed to accomplish: an ever churning player roster. I’m glad there are fans that view this as a sad event instead of berating a great player for being great. Best of Luck, Darrelle! Go Jets!

  44. By GaryC on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    It is all coming to fruition,just have one team fall in love with Geno Smith,then it will be apple picking,instead it will be pickspicking.

  45. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    REVIS good luck to you. I feel you was the best CB in the NFL. But this trade was necessary “THIS YEAR”, because nerxt year would have been to late, he would have been a “FREE AGENT” with “NO” tradeable power. “GOOD MOVE IDZEK” there are some excellent CB in this draft who will be there in the later rounds such as; Jonathan Banks, Miss State, Dee Milner, Ala, Desmond Trufant, Wash and DJ Hayden, Houston. We could land one of them. So all is not lost, providing IDZIK drafts smartly, which I believe he will…

  46. By Tom Spicer on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64, You are comical everything Idzik does is the best to you & Rex is everything that is wrong with the Jets. Hear is a news flash buddy 1 the cuts Idzik made where “NO DUH” cuts that ANYONE would have done & actually he had to make them just to get under the cap. 2 The youth movement that we were supposed to have has not happened. We signed a over 30 Garay, a 31 year old Colon & resigned a 32 year old Pace. 3 He let Keller & Slauson both walk for 1 year deals. This guy has done nothing good please name to me 1 good trade or free agent signing he has made?

  47. By Tom Spicer on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    The websites are already saying the Jets got robbed. A 1st this year & a 4th round pick next year NOT GOOD. So much for the great job that Idzik is doing. The Vikes got much more for Percy Harvin the 20th best WR in the NFL than we got for Revis who is the best corner in the NFL. THIS IS NOT GOOD! Anything less than a 1st this year, a 7th this year & a 3rd next year which is what the Vikes got for Percy Harvin is a bad trade. WE JUST DID A BAD TRADE! Unless the 13th pick is a starter for us for the next 10 years & makes multiple pro bowls. This is a terrible trade.

  48. By scjoe on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    64, read O’Conner’s piece on ESPN about the Revis trade. He asks a great question, “why couldn’t WJ offer the same deal “NO Guaranteed $$” as TB did?” Then, if Revis was 100 he could have traded him for that kings ransom we were all expecting from TB, but didn’t get. Honestly, do you believe Mr T. could have done any worse if he were still GM? A #1 this year and a “conditional” # 4 next year?? For one of the top defenders in the league?

  49. By Tom Spicer on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    We lost Laron Landry, Yerimiah Bell, Sione Pouha, Mike Devito, Revis, Brandon Moore, Matt Slauson & Keller. We have done nothing to replace these guys. Next to Ira I think I am the most positive poster on this site but I have nothing to be positive about today. We were 6 & 10 last year without Revis & Holmes now we dont have the entire list above. You want to talk about team TITANIC unless Idzik has a HISTORIC draft 3 & 13 hear we come. This years team is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than last years team!

  50. By Tom Spicer on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Hear are some of the comments from sports web sites “The Jets received (only?) the No. 13 pick in this year’s draft and a conditional 2014 fourth-rounder” “The compensation isn’t quite what we anticipated either, making the Bucs the clear early winners of the Revis trade” “It’s truly fantastic maneuvering by Bucs GM Mark Dominik. ” This are quotes from 3 differnet sources saying we clearly got the short end of the stick in this deal!

  51. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    This is the bottom line on Revis, folks, as taken from a post on ESPN about this deal: “He always wants to be at market and you can’t build a team around that type of player” — AMEN! Eventually, you have to start thinking about more than next September, instead of thinking like Mr T and Rex have been doing with their patch-work nonsense dreams of beating the Pats once in the fall and going on to SB glory. Another poster noted that we’re now poised for at least 8 picks this yr — possibly more if we trade down, which I’m open to — and 12 or so in 2014. THAT, my friends, is how you rebuild a team in a couple yrs, NOT by dreaming about 1 or 2 splashy FA signings when you have no QB, no playmakers, no HC who knows anything about O…

  52. By Karan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I will admit I am quite jealous of the Bucs secondary. Revis, Barron, Goldson, Wright and possibly Barber. Are you kidding me? That is a boatload of talent in the secondary. Other than that, couldn’t care less about Tampa Bay.

  53. By Karan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I would laugh if Revis holds out in Tampa Bay sometime down the road since his contract is not guaranteed.

  54. By Karan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Vincent, I am also hoping for the best. From my perspective, I blame one person for why the Jets are in the position they are in today as compared to 2-3 years ago and thats of course Mike Tannenbaum. Woody has made bad decisions too but Tannenbaum took it to a whole another level. I’ll now stop talking about him, gives me a headache.

  55. By Dr. Frank on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Trade is official. Tampa’s 1st rounder this year (13th pick) and a 4th rounder (possibly a 3rd if Mevis is on their roster in 2014) next year. WE DIDN”T GET ENOUGH FOR HIM in my book, especially if he comes back as good as he has been in the past. We should have at least gotten a 2nd round pick or a sure 3rd rounder next year. I would have preferred both picks next year, actually. Oh well, lets see what Izdik can do with them now. We HAVE to get a good corner now. I bet we will have to trade up for Millner now, as we need a corner. Can we still try to sign Charles Woodson as a stop gap for a year until we can develop someone or draft a sure thing if we can’t get Millner? This makes things very very interesting for Thursday.

  56. By Karan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I hope the Jets don’t draft a QB at all in the first round, that would be horrible. There are no RG3s, Wilsons or Lucks in this draft. If they somehow manage to get Warmack and Ertz or even a pass rusher, that would be great. Cooper is actually projected to go ahead of Warmack isn’t he? Back to the main point, want to draft a QB? I have no problem with tthat just as long as its in the 3+ rounds.

  57. By Karan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Jetfan64 Tom, Cimini just let it all out on the Jets. The guy is clearly upset and continues to bash the franchise. Makes it sounds like the Jets completely screwed this up. I actually find it funny that he’s mad.

  58. By Karan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t always agree with Cimini but I’ll admit, his most recent statement on this Revis dilemma headlines “Greed and Mismanagement”. That is absolutely correct. Thats the reason why he’s in Florida now. Both parties made this divorce happen.

  59. By jetpete on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I for one am very happy with the deal as if he stayed we would have no compensation for him. Great job Idzik! Things are starting to look up. Sometimes you have to take a step back so we can move foward. Go Jets!

  60. By kw65fan on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Well…Good luck Revis…sure didn’t get a lot for a premier player. First this year and 3 next year. Can’t believe Buc’s gave him 16 million a year for 6 years. Bet you after 3 they cut him. Contract is NOT guaranteed…none of it. So when there cap tight in couple of years and ask Revis to re-negotiate he will be like..LOLOL. Then they cut him. Poor job Izzy…expected more like another pick in 3 or 4 round. Oh well…beggars can’t be choosey….

  61. By IRA on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Its weird the last time the Jets had 2 picks in the top 15 picks of the first rd was back in 2000 after they traded Keyshawn to none other than the Bucs and now again 13 years later the Jets pull off another trade with one of their best players and have two picks again. Back in 2000 they had a total of 4 first rd picks and took Ellis, Abraham, Chad and Becht. But the best pick of that draft came in the third rd when they picked Coles. Chad was picked 18th and if the Jets trade down they could might as well grab another QB.

  62. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Another thing about this trade that speaks volumes: A good deal of the speculation already is on…when Revis will hold out next! As for Ian O’Conner, he can just about stop writing now. He outdoes even Cimini with his Dark Liniings Playbook on anything and everything the Jets do. The fact is the Jets have just removed a huge and unnecessary distraction from their team at a time when they need nothing of the kind. Somewhere between the time the Jets scouted Revis and the time they drafted him, Revis got the idea that it’s all about him and money. His insincere attempts to express sympathy for “the fans” as he relentlessly pursued an agenda of selfish greed were truly a disgrace to the Jets and to the NFL. I can’t wait to see him fail big.

  63. By scjoe on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    64, I have stated all along that I would be on board with a Revis trade “if” they received a “significant package” in return. They didn’t! I would consider a “significant package” to be something close to what the Bengal’s received for a washed up, over the hill, inconsistent QB like Carson Palmer, 2 #1s and a #2. But as usual, the NYJ come up short. Looks like it really don’t matter who the GM is. You call Revis a “distraction” I didn’t see any distractions when he was on the field, the distractions were fabricated by the press. Don’t buy in to that. The worse thing that can happen now is to select a CB at 13. Talk about a let down! And for what? An additional 3rd rd pick next year?

  64. By scjoe on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Dr Frank, IMO, the only thing that can make this trade any worse would be to take the # 13, trade UP and select Millner. If they gave up a 3 or 4 in order to that you would basically be replacing Revis for Millner straight up. That would be about as bad a move as any GM could possibly make. The only thing that may take some of the sting out of this trade would be to trade down from the 13, select a Rhodes or a Trufant and pick up a safety or an OG with the other pick.

  65. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready to Draft AND Trade Smart on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer, stop with the no-duh nonsense, everybody on this site knows almost none of those guys woulda been gone if Mr T had stayed and the absurd deal he gave Pouha proves it. The guys Idzik signed are small potatoes, cheap and not critical. What’s comical is your timing on slamming Idzik — 4 days before the draft! You sound like Burt Lancaster to Tony Curtis in SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS — “Teach me, I’m a schoolboy” — only not sarcastic, so I will: Revis is a cancer. He’s held out 3 times. He’s not a QB. He’ll be on the way down by the time we even HAVE a good QB. The rest of the NFL didn’t bite because they know he’s a pain in the butt. So we took what we could get and can now move on. What you don’t get about any of this is beyond me.

  66. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready to Draft AND Trade Smart on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, you’re not only acting desperate but you’re becoming naive, supporting my theory that the real scjoe is hiding out somewhere. Did it ever occur to you that Revis HAD TO SETTLE FOR NO GUARANTEED $ BECAUSE THE WORD IS OUT ON HIM? Do I REALLY have to connect the dots for you on how Revis’ escapades with us MIGHT have tipped off THE REST OF THE LEAGUE TO WHO AND WHAT THIS GUY IS? Jeez, get real! And are you also forgetting how to read sports news? The “conditional #4″ is clearly a #3, unless you expect Revis not to make the Bucs next yr. Spicer, read EA’s piece on why #13 for Revis is much better than #25 for Harvin. You’re great with players to be drafted, now learn how the draft itself works. Karan, I laugh at Cimini EVERY day!

  67. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready to Draft AND Trade Smart on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, it’s a bit of a relief to talk to a vet Jet fan who can calmly assess the implications of the trade we just made. I think your scenario of trading down in the interest of getting a QB is very insightful. The unwritten story of the Top 10 picks is, guess what? A lot of them have question marks or even scream bust! The Jets are in NO position to take a Gholston/Sanchez-like bust named Mingo, Smith, or anything else. On the other hand, some of the players they — and many folks on this site — like a lot may be available between picks #15-50. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us trade either the 9 or the 13 to load up on later picks. When you have this many needs, a big name at 9 or 13 isn’t the whole ballgame. A lot of quality players is.

  68. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    We lost Period..Best player in the NFL 1 pick. that’s a joke.. Spicer your 100% correct Idzik has done nothing what so ever to Impress me to this point,nor replace any single position with anything more then what Tom64 has and continues to lambast Mike-T and Rex for doing signing Old injury prone Vets, But as usual he will praise every move idzik makes even if it’s against his constant opinions. insisting no matter what go’s wrong it will be Rex’s Fault what ever go’s right it will be the genius of Idzik. in his back and forth world . Tom what ever happened to your taking a break from the radar for reasons unknown, I kinda kept track you actually stepped it up. Sorry I find it very hard to take you seriously any more

  69. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready to Draft AND Trade Smart on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    As for Myers’ claim in the DAILY NEWS that, “With the Revis trade, the Jets look like an expansion team” — that’s EXACTLY what they SHOULD look like, a team that needs to start all over almost everywhere. I told you folks last fall we had AT BEST 10-15 must-keep players and Idzik is reviewing the roster in line with that kind of thinking. I know this is a lot for fans who can’t imagine, say, taking a QB at #3 this yr and #1 next yr to grasp but that’s largely because we’ve done 4 yrs with A HC WHO DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WIN IN TODAY’S NFL BY SCORING A LOT OF POINTS! Anybody read Dilfer’s quote on what a disastrous hire he thought Sparano was? Well, those days are over, Rex’ll be lucky if he hires a personal hot dog vendor for “Mark.”

  70. By Stevesc on Apr 21, 2013 | Reply

    I really don’t have a problem with what the Jets got in this deal with the Bucs. If you look at it from a strictly business point of view, Idzik did what had to be done. WJ was not going to pay Revis that kind of money after this season. For all of you who say we got robbed, look what would have happened if he wasn’t traded. He would have been a FA, and gone. And what would the Jets have gotten in return? A compensatory pick in the following years draft. Wow, that would have made a lot of sense. Also, they just picked up a lot more cap space. Spicer, maybe as you say that the cuts Idzik made were DUH cuts. The point is he made them. Do you think MT would have done the same thing? He is the one who got this team in the mess they’re

  71. By Stevesc on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    cont’d… in. There is no doubt Revis is a great player, but he was also a selfish player. The kind of money he is demanding is absolutely ridiculous, as most players, I believe, do as well. Jet fan 64 Tom, I’m with you and those who think this is the right thing to do. It will be refreshing to see a GM approach making this team better, and not the same old way. To all of you bemoaning the moves Idzik has made so far I’ll say this. Even if the Jets duplicate their 6-10 record of 2012, wouldn’t that be an improvement, having a roster filled with young players, and not the players let go this year? Optimism abounds this season! Go Jets! IMHO.

  72. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    cont. for one of a few reasons 1st, your constant disdain for a coach who’s only fault is not being as bright as maybe you believe or being loyal to a GM and owner who had given him a chance at probably his dream, at the risk of sounding idiotic at times So he talks to much your not so bad yourself in case you haven’t noticed, Next, now I’m not in step with Revis and his antics,But I still wish well and Good bye.. But saying you can’t wait to see him fail doesn’t show good character so before chastising coaches GM’s and the likes maybe a good look into a mirror would help,

  73. By JetBlu on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Ahhh. Been away but I see nothing’s changed in the way of how we all feel about the direction this team needs to take. 64 Tom, it seems like I’m always on the same page as you. Revis needed to go & nobody was going to over-pay for this guy knowing that the Jets were desperately shopping him. Cro should shut up or maybe he should be the next to go. Trade that #13 pick for multiple picks in later rounds and bulid thru the draft. Can’t wait to complete this reformation by seeing Rex & MS pack their bags too. Izzy knows what he’s doing. He’s not going to make predictions and pretend we’re anything close to what the Patriots have become. Win this year? No – compete ever year! I want to be proud to be a Jets fan, not embarrassed!

  74. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready to Draft AND Trade Smart on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    From PFT, Spicer and scjoe, a dispatch from the real world in which you’d do well to start living if you wanna understand how rebuilding a team as bad as ours needs to work: “Last week, when the Jets pressed “pause” on the Revis trade talks, some thought another team or two could try to jump into the fray. It didn’t happen. In fact, it never happened. Per a source with knowledge of the process, it was always TB — and only TB.That reality kept the Jets from getting more than a #1 in 2013 and a #4 in 2014 (which will become a #3 if he’s on the TB off-season roster next year).” Idzik sure blew it, getting a #1 at 13 that the only interested team didn’t originally wanna give up for a guy who thinks only of $ and holds out every other yr…

  75. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank - VERY DISPPOINTED on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    I am very disappointed in the what we have received for “REVIS”. IDZIK, I feel we should have been given another draft pick in the 2nd round this year and a 3rd or 4th conditional draft pick for next year. But the way this trade went we got Tampa’s # 13 pick this year and a conditional 3rd or 4th rounder in 2014. The only person who came out a big winner this year was REVIS money wise they paid his salary with the JET and renogotiated a 6 year deal making him one of the highest paid defensive players in the league. There is “NO” question he is worth the money. But we should have received a 2nd rounder this year for him as well. Minnesota obtained much more for Percy Harvin the 20th best WR then we got for REVIS. Once again the front

  76. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    office ihas disappointed its fans, We deserved more for REVIS. OH WELL!!! I hate to see how the draft is going to go after this disappointing trade…

  77. By GaryC on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    If the vikings have fallen out of favor of Christian Ponder and are yearning for Barkley or Geno Smith,we can get their two first rounders for our ninth pick,you can get a trifecta of Warmack,Ertz,Rhodes or Sam Montgomery.Do It.As for Antonio ‘I NEVER MET A TACKLE I LIKED’ Cromartie,he can go for another pick.The malcontents will be banished to Elba in this new regime.

  78. By GaryC on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Sean Gilbert might be planning Revis’s next holdout plans.

  79. By SCfromNY on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    I guess they had to trade Revis however, I don’t think we received enough draft picks considering CB now becomes a draft need. Having 2 first round picks I hope will allow the Jets to address 2 major needs; OLB & OL. Then in the 2nd a QB (I don’t like Smith as a 1rst, too many questions). I think Glennon or Landry will make very good NFL QBs. Looking forward to Thursday.

    Someone mentioned cutting Sanchez or getting a minimal pick. In the words of Rex’s Dad in Philly about a star RB, “Trade him for a 6 pack, it doesn’t even have to be cold.”

    Good luck to Revis. Unfortunately we no longer have ONE star player. We could have done worse but we also could have done better.

  80. By charliejet on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    “Jets setting up Ryan for failure” NONSENSE ! Rex set himself up for failure. If Idzik had any way of getting rid of Sanchez or any opportunity to get rid of him he would have by now (he may still be trying). Good for Idzik – I love it.

  81. By Allan O'Dane on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    “Mevis” signed a 96M contract.. non-guaranteed money. So he will get his 16M 1st yr..and guess what? he will hold out in 2014 again…This guy will not change. Mevis is not worth 16M a yr..he doesn’t return kickoffs or punt returns. He’s not Deion Sanders in his “Prime Time”..Tampa will soon find out that there is an “I” in “Mevis”.

  82. By SQUIRREL on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    i agree with you Charlie Jet. Rex made his own bed with tunnel vision and a one track mind. he will be gone next year and will be DC somewhere very soon which is where he belongs. he needs to take a lesson from his old man, great DC, horrible head coach, I like the strategy. I was hoping we would get more for revis but they had to pull the trigger at some point. I also heard that we are getting possibly 4 comp picks next year so we should be stacked in that draft anyway. now we need to be very smart with these picks. poll int trading down with one of them. Atlanta and/or Vikings looking to move up.

  83. By Dr. Frank on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I agree with you. Now that we have 2 picks in the 1st round, I think we should trade out of the #9 spot. That should yield at least a later first round pick, a second round pick and maybe a 5th or 6th round pick, or possibly another pick for next year. I read we are already getting at least 4 compensatory picks next year. There are alot of “solid” NFL players in this draft, with few superstars. It is deep at OL, DL and S, so lets trade down. I still don’t think we should take a QB too early. We need a guard, CB, S, TE and RB now. Let’s save the QB for later this year and next year. Too many other pressing needs. In my opinion, drafting a QB early makes the signing of Garrard a joke. Draft one late or develop McElroy or

  84. By Dr. Frank on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    the Simms kid to take over next year, or this year if we can trade MS away. Still think MS will win the job, unfortunately, cause Rex likes him. I think if we trade down and draft well, we can plug a lot of holes with solid NFL players this year and next year will all those pick and FA we can really compete again.

  85. By SQUIRREL on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    also to those here say we got robbed, you cant compare this to the percy harvin trade. first, We got a #13, the Vikes got a #27. we will be getting a 3rd rounder next year. And it will be interesting to see where we go with out 2 1st rd picks. Remember the whole is sometimes greater than the sum of its parts.

    and to those who are complaining about IDZIK letting go of old expensive vets, are you not aware that this is not a win now team. we are in rebuilding mode. IDZIK is trying to right the ship which was doing figure 8′s aimlessly in the middle of the ocean because of the mismanagement by Rex and Tanny. with proper research and a little bit of luck we could be the seattle seahawks in 2015.

  86. By Tom Spicer on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64, SCJoe has been handing you a beat down consitiently on this site so I have not bothered to put my 2 cents in. AGAIN for the 100th time Idzik HAD TO MAKE THOSE CUTS JUST TO GET UNDER THE CAP & EVEN Tannabaum would have had to make them. SO STOP MAKING THINGS UP! Also EVERYTIME you are wrong about something your only response is to quote a song. Revis held out 2 times NOT 3 & has ZERO off of the field issues. NAME 1, ONE, UNO paper, magazine or talking head that says the Jets got the better end of the deal. Cause I can quote MULTIPLE sources saying the Jets got RAKED OVER THE COALS!

  87. By Tom Spicer on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    If the Jets kept Revis for this year & he walked as a free agent after next year. The Jets would have got a 3rd round compensatory pick for Revis ANYWAY! So in simple terms we traded Revis the best corner in the NFL & maybe the best D player in the NFL. For a 1st round pick! NOT GOOD no matter how much TOM 64 TRYS TO SPIN IT!

  88. By scjoe on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    64, you can slice it any way you want! You can call me naive. You can call me desperate. You can call me anything you like, but it will never change the fact that the NYJ received ONLY a #1 this year and a #3 “next year” for arguably THEE best defensive player in the league in-his-prime! Re: the injury, they checked him out thoroughly, that was not an issue. Bottom line, like it or not, they got robbed! If I were GM, knowing that TB wanted this player desperately all along I would have demanded at least a #3 this year AND next year, otherwise, give him the same contract TB did, and trade him during the season OR next year pre draft.

  89. By ELI RODRIGUEZ--If it's FAIR and OPEN G-MAC will win. on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Good luck to Revis and Jet Nation, not every marriage is meant to last forever. As a kid I was devastated with the Yankee & Reggie Jackson novel. But as a kid, I yet didn’t understand they world we live in. Money, is the goal and bottom line, not loyalty-honor or respect. Did I want Revis to stay-Yes! But he had other goal. Woody Johnson had his with Tim Tebow– I don’t blame any of them but I try to give them the least amount of MY HARD EARN MONEY. Thank you, Revis….it was fun watching you play for GANG GREEN.

  90. By carolina jet fan on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    I’m seeing alot of Revis fans on this site today, not Jet fans. I’m in complete agreement with those who feel this deal had to be done.If Revis has lost a step as a result of his injury-he’s approching the realm of an average cornerback. However if hecomes back 100% we could not afford his contract anyway. I-man has done as well as can be expected. My hope is that this team can draft presure on the other QB so that our corners dont have to be islands.

  91. By since shea on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Whether we got beat on the trade or not, bottom line is we could not afford to pay him 16 mill and still fill the many holes on the team. Thats on T bomb. With Revis , we carried two bad safeties, Smith and Leonard. Still we were good. Without Revis last year, we were good on D with two very good safeties in Landry and Bell. If we knew Revis was going, why couldnt we at least retain one of those guys? No shut down corner and no Revis is asking for trouble when you dont have an offense to control the ball. So is the top corner in the draft, Millner, coming here?

  92. By since shea on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    If you are Tampa Bay, why wouldnt you take Millner in the draft at a quarter of the Revis salary instead of gambling on the highest priced corner coming off a serious knee? If you are Revis, why would you sign a non guaranteed deal? If you go down early with another knee, can Tampa release him? They do that and Mevis has zero income from salary?

  93. By Howie D on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    You never want to lose a big time player like Revis. He’s one of a few players who gave me peace of mind on the field. Like many fans I have a Revis jersey and wish he stayed a Jet, but he’s never satisfied, even when he’s under a legitimate contract. He’s rolling the dice on his future because he’s somewhat injury prone and his TB contract is not guaranteed. I can’t blame the Jets for trading him, the questions is did we get all we could for the value he represents?

  94. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready to Draft AND Trade Smart on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Cimini cops to his shocking unprofessionalism: “In the immediate aftermath of the trade, I hastily jumped to the conclusion that the Jets received less for Revis than the Vikings got for WR Percy Harvin in their trade with the Seahawks. Based on the draft-pick value chart, the Jets actually got more value for their two picks than the Vikings received for their three. The difference: the Jets’ first-round pick is 13th (1,150 points on the chart), the Vikings’ first rounder is 25th (720 points). That tilts it significantly toward the Jets.” He could print a disclaimer like this every other day and it wouldn’t be too much. O’Conner every day.

  95. By GaryC on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    To those who still have their Revis jersey,put it on Ebay.Hey,who knows,when the Bucs get tired of his act,he might come crawling back to the jets,with his tail between his legs,JetFanTom and I who don’t agree on much know this is the right way to go.Any successful team grows it from the inside out,not outside in.Right now they are dangling that carrot out there and the other teams are the horse.Our number nine pick for whatever player they want that they can’t get at the draft position there at.

  96. By GaryC on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    It is funny how the media is raking the Jets over the coals,the deal was done by a man who had control over the Seahawks who made the playoffs,Now who am I gonna have more confidence in,the media or Idzik.

  97. By GaryC on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Like I said a long time ago,most fans believe in the theory,a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.They believe the jets will never draft anyone worth mentioning and they still would rather have a guy who causes headaches but has been an all pro and who will kill your salary structure.

  98. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready to Draft AND Trade Smart on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I continue to suspect you’re just somebody using the name of the guy who used to post and call himself that. Right, Revis was going to play for us again without holding out. Right, the amount of cap space he was eating up wasn’t a factor. Right, it woulda made a lot of sense to go on losing all yr and then sending Revis to the Pro Bowl, asking Jet fans to feel great about just that. Right, it’s not a distraction when one guy holds out or threatens to constantly when the team has dozens of holes. Right, OAK’s utterly insane deal for Palmer (I know plenty of OAK fans out here who were and are devastated by it) is the standard by which the Revis deal should be judged. Keep it up with your senseless kneejerk opposition to Idzik…

  99. By RONBO on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    T64,S.C.Joe MJV,SPICER,GARY C & anyone else who cares,
    We as fans tend to take things personally when our team or the players dont do what we feel is the right thing.Whether you like or hate Revis in this case should never into this conversation because when you base your decision on emotion you often make the wrong choice.Its easy for us as fans to be critical of Revis for the hold outs because of the loss of his service and the distraction it caused.But the fact of the matter is none of us here would have stepped up and paid his bills if he was injured and unceramoniously dumped like many others have been in the past.Hard to judge a man unless you’ve walked in his shoes.I only hope he is well treated by us in his homecoming gamein Sept.

  100. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready to Draft AND Trade Smart on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Allan, Stevesc, GaryC, SQUIRREL, Charliejet, JetBlu and others, allow me to post a warning: Generalissimo MJV thinks it’s “embarrassing” for me to compliment you on your smart, sane posts about the Revis trade, and he presumably thinks the same of you for agreeing with me. But that’s his issue so let’s move on to turning this team around. The Jets now have a chance to get 5 picks at 72 or below. They could trade the 9 or the 13 for 2 lower picks and end up with, say, 9, 20, 39, 45, and 72. I suppose to the losers who liked to root for 1 player or 2 like they did with Revis, Leon, Chad, etc. this makes no sense. For those of us who can count how many starters we need, though, it’s intriguing, much more so than fretting over 3 picks total.

  101. By JetBlu on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer: Raked over the coals? Nobody was offering anything for Revis. He would have walked at the end of the season. In addition to his self-imposed hold-outs, he’s missed significant amount of time due to injury. There is value in this 13th pick if it can be traded for two or more picks in subsequent rounds. This team needs an overhaul so the more picks the better. We need to wash our hands of Rex and MS and change the attitude of the team. In two years, we’ll be raking other teams over the coals…. on the field. Wouldn’t it be great to really have a dominant team, rather than claim you have one? I’m still of the opinion I had two years ago – Rex & MS MUST go!

  102. By Stevesc on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Read Bob Galuber’s column in Newsday “Darrelle Revis trade was right move for John Idzik”. I think he sums it up better than any of these Jet bashing beat writers and talking heads who think the Jets got a bad deal. It’s funny how some on this blog bash these writers, and then buy into their Jet hating bad deal garbage they’re handing out.

  103. By GaryC on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo,this is from a previous story,comparing Jones to Werner,we don’t even know if the jets will stay in a three four,considering Rex might not be here after this year.Werner might be less athletic,but definitely more upper body strength to set the hard edge in a four three which I see the Jets in after this year if not this year.he also is a very good sackmeister.

  104. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready to Draft AND Trade Smart on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Spicer and scjoe, Cimini keeps backtracking, so you’d better find some other websites if you want to keep bashing Idzik so ignorantly: “The word from the Revis camp is that he would’ve signed the same six-year, $96 million contract from the Jets. Moot point. It wasn’t offered. A deal like that, structured with $16 million in compensation per year, would’ve made absolutely no sense for the Jets. I realize the circumstances have changed a bit — i.e. the knee injury — but I remember the Jets getting blasted in the summer of 2010 for offering Revis a deal that included no guaranteed money. On Sunday, Revis signed a deal with no guaranteed money.” Revis merely moved his problem to TB, MJV, but you’d rather be stuck with the problem, smart!

  105. By Tom Spicer on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Quotes from the local papers. Manish Metha “The Jets are not interested in winning”. Gary Meyers “Idzik did not get enough from the Bucs”. Mark Cazzinaro “Mickey Mouse deal – The Jets are the joke of the NFL”. Steve Serby ” Of course the Jets did not get enough for Revis” & “This trade is a butt fumble”. Rotoworld ““The Jets received (only?) the No. 13 pick in this year’s draft and a conditional 2014 fourth-rounder” “The compensation isn’t quite what we anticipated either, making the Bucs the clear early winners of the Revis trade” “It’s truly fantastic maneuvering by Bucs GM Mark Dominik. ”. Everyone EVERYONE is saying we did nto get our moneys worth! Now guys will try to say I am just mad that we traded Revis but that is not true I was

  106. By Tom Spicer on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    all for trading him but that was if we got AT LEAST a 1st, a 3rd & a 6th anything less than that & we got taken to the woodshed!

  107. By RONBO on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER, when Woody finally chose our new G.M a bunch here, IRA,S.C.Joe myself & others urged patience before coming to any conclusions concerning his performance. I get your frustration with what we percieve as a lack of adaquate compensation in the Revis deal & I get how you feel about the F/A signings & losses to date. Here’s the thing, I feel we will be better able to judge his moves a year from now as we will see how the players we signed or didn’t resign actually performed.Also, how did the 27 year old c.b coming off knee surgery do in comparison to the guy we pick at 13 (or the guys we pick if we move down.)Dude, no one here questions your a great Jet fan so if your open to suggestion, lets just give this a chance to play out a bit.

  108. By scjoe on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    64, I read an article in SI magazine while in a waiting room that I thought you would be interested in. It was called “the numbers add up to nothing” Basically, it stated that since 1994 there have been ten teams that have had 10 or more picks in a draft, and only one (1) the 1996 NE Patriots have made it to the SB after a 3 year period. (I hardly believe the draft had anything to do with that) a couple of those teams, just going from memory, like Cleve, had a combined record of 19 and 29 in the 3 year period following that draft. Just thought that this “fact” ties in well with “building through the draft” Your opinion?

  109. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    At the end of THE TRIAL, Kafka describes K’s pathetic state upon being executed and says, “It was as if the shame of it [his falsely alleged crime] must outlive him.” Similarly, Revis whines about his deal for his entire career with the Jets, poses for a juvenile picture of himself and his business manager celebrating in the plane on the way to TB, gets his undeserved $16 mil p/yr, then whines some more the very next day about Idzik “not telling me truth.” The truth can be found, Duhrelle, in the many posts to the story on ESPN about your press conference today, many of which feature language Randy wouldn’t print here. My favorite, though, was the guy who said “Rex teaches you to make noise when you should shut up. Revis learned well.”

  110. By Jason on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Oh well, he’s gone. Nothing we can do about it. We as fans have no control over what happens both on the field and off. That being said it’s looking like they are probably going to take Barkevious Mingo. That would be yet another huge mistake. He’s gonna run around in circles searching for his first sack… Has huge bust written all over it. I’d rather them take safe picks like warmack, cooper, or even milliner or Rhodes. I would love to have Rhodes and I think he could be the next Cromartie.

  111. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I didn’t get as far as I got in this life without at least some pattern recognition skills. And it’s pretty clear by now that the pattern is you digging up whatever you can to discredit whatever Idzik’s doing. I expect it to continue when we draft, say, Jordan, Rhodes, and Manuel and you somehow contrive to tell us these are bad picks. The other thing I notice is that with all your complaining about Idzik’s moves, you never suggest what you woulda done instead — say, sign Alex Smith, Amendola, Dumervil and pray 10 other starters would come along? Stevesc, your diagnois of that Jet Fan Disease of siding with know-nothing sports writers is an insightful one and I think Patient Zero for it is Spicer.

  112. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    So if I hear you right, Spice, you’re enraged because…we didn’t also get a #6 for Revis. A #6, not too different from a UFA. Even though we DID get, as JetBlu says, a #13 to trade down with, probably for two more picks within the Top 50. Overreact much? Jason, I see no evidence that we’re gonna pick Mingo or do anything as predictably Same Old Jets as that. When you let go as many guys as Idzik has, pursue no high-priced FAs, and trade Rex’s favorite player, it’s pretty clear that despite what you say in the press, you have little concern for what Rex wants, such as another not-NFL-ready high pick on D. I also found it revealing that whereas Rex refused to say the Revis trade helps us, Idzik wasted no time slapping Rex down on that one.

  113. By kleckofan on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    For those saying we got jobbed in the Revis deal I’d like to hear the alternative game plan, not just complaining. When you’re negotiating from weakness (one interested team that knows if you don’t deal you’re going to get zilch) how do you hold out for more? Who knows for sure that there was ever a better offer out there? Be real.
    And whoever said we should have cut the same deal w Revis (ie no guaranteed money), again, be real. Its not guarantee, but do you honestly believe that Revis won’t be on the Bucs roster this year and next since they dealt draft picks for each yr? It’s as good as guaranteed…why do you think revis agreed? Ten million dollar raise over what the Jets would’ve given him this yr.
    Anyone can complain, offer solutions

  114. By scjoe on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    64, now I’m beginning to wonder if YOU are the same 64 as before all the name changes. But anyway, no matter, if you take the way you feel personally about Revis completely out of the equation you will understand that the compensation for Revis was just inappropriate PERIOD! I am not “bashing” Idzik, I don’t know if the final decision was his or WJs I would assume it was Johnsons because he was determined not to pay Revis what he asked for. Tampa on the other hand seems to be much more interested in winning. Revis is a winner! As much as you hate to hear it, it is a fact! You just traded away your best player for a #1 and a #3 next year, lets just wait and see what the fall out will be.

  115. By GaryC on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    What happens if Revis ends up being another Nnamdi.when does his skills diminish,better to trade early then too late,why wasn’t there a market for Revis,Is Tampa the smartest organization around,what happens if Revis can’t cut it coming back from injury,Bucs lost a number one pick.I know the genius media feel the jets were taken,but Idzik and the seahawks made playoffs,where did the Bucs end up,my binoculars haven’t tracked them as of yet.

  116. By scjoe on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, just to repeat what I just said to “the new” 64. I don’t see it as bashing Idzik, (just yet), because I think WJ played a big roll in this trade. I firmly believe he didn’t want to pay one man that much money. I think he is the one who became inpatient to get the trade done no matter what the compensation was. I think the Bucs suspected the same. I had no problem trading DR, but the compensation, for a player of his caliber, was way out of line. If the NYJ offered a similar contract the cap ramifications this year would not have been that excessive. (64?) Then you bought yourself more time to get the compensation you deserve.

  117. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Anatomy of an Illness: I also find it pretty funny that a lot of you guys who are most loyal to Rex and most ready to quote Jet-bashers in the sports press don’t ever mention that…people love to bash the Jets these days largely because of Rex. Even the most short-term of Jets fans will be unable to recall a similar level of hatred for our team when say, Mangini or Edwards was the HC, much less in yrs before that. But I’ll admit I don’t mind Kiper’s description of us as an expansion team. In the state Mr T and Rex left us in last yr, we had less talent than most expansion teams. Of course, if we draft the guys Kiper says we will, we’ll score out lower than the lowest expansion team. Idzik has rebuilt well before and I’ll bet he does again.

  118. By Dr. Frank on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    The Jets Brass CANNOT AFFORD to blow this draft, period. They need to make safe picks, NO PROJECTS! We need starters that can contribute immediately. That is why we should not draft a QB or OLB early! Too much risk in Geno Smith, Mingo, Jones, etc. They only one I think is worth it is Dion Jordan, who won’t be available when the Jets pick. They shouldn’t trade up, either. That would be a colossal mistake. Trade down out of the 9 or 13 spot (I think more value to trade out of 9) and get another first round pick, a second rounder and maybe even a 5 or 6. It all depends on the draft points chart! Lots of solid players who can contribute at TE, RB, WR, S, CB and OL, which can be grabbed later in round 1 as well as round 2, 3 and 4.

  119. By Karan on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Just have a great draft. Thats all I ask for, Warmack, Cooper, Jordan, Mingo,, Eifert, Ertz, anyone of these could be good fits. People say Mingo might be a bust, but what if he’s not? Still wish Revis was a Jet but greed and horrible horrible management by a clueless owner and former GM have steered this boat in the wrong direction. Idzik hopefully can save us. Im dissapointed we couldn’t get more for Revis but I’m not going to blame the new GM, maybe Woody because we all know he couldn’t WAIT to get Revis out of town, and he took what he could get.

  120. By Dr. Frank on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    I would also consider Millner at the nine spot if he is still available. Heck, we might be able to get a guy like Warmack or Cooper at 13, or even Rhodes, Trufant, Vaccaro or Austin even. I might even consider trading both picks for a bunch of them in the first and second round, where the team can get both quality and quantity. We need lots of players to fill many positions. Also, remember, the draft is not the end of it. We can sign some undrafted guys and some of the UFA’s that haven’t signed with anyone yet. Still think there are some DB’s and S out there as well as RB’s and OL. Let’s just be patient and see how smart Izdik is at this point. As for Revis, I don’t think there was much of a choice. We couldn’t sign him long term.

  121. By Dr. Frank on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    At least we got something for him. Not as much as I thought we could get, but still something. What would happen if he couldn’t play this year, even though he looks good. What happens if he shreds his ACL again? We would get nothing. Look what happened with Kris Jenkins, his ACL repair failed, albeit a third attempt and he never played again for us. He was a beast, also. Yes, lots of players have their ACL repaired, but many take a long time to get back to where they were. Some take more than 1 season. Not too many people like Adrian Peterson out there. I think we should be thanking our lucky stars that he didn’t walk and us get nothing but a compensatory pick. The human body is not a machine. Replacing an ACL with a cadaver ACL

  122. By Dr. Frank on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    is not like changing a muffler on a car. LOTS can go wrong and interfere with rehab or play. Knees swell and effusions can be a problem, both in the short and long term. Yes, surgery and rehab has come a long way since the days of Joe Willie, but corner-back is a tough position to play without a bad knee. You never know what will happen, but if Revis re injures his knee this year and can’t play, Izdik becomes a genius. For getting us something for him in a market where no one really wanted him is a great feat. TB could have said forget it and we would be stuck with him and all his whining, injury, etc.

  123. By SCfromNY on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    I just read Real Football Services assesment of who the Jets should draft. I hope no one in the jets front office likes these folks. I remember a horrible assesment of Sanchez. Well only a few days till we have everyone complaining about a pick or a non pick. My hope is “No Projects” just quality players. It is not impossible to have a good year but highly unlikely. We should be able to fill in what we need and depth so we can let our “1 year picks” go.

    I’ve said I wouldn’t mind Glennon or Landry in the 2nd, especially if we trade down. My only concern is if we bring in a QB and not release any until camp no one will get a sufficeint amount of time to take Sanchez’s job. And it needs to be taken.

  124. By RONBO on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, As I have stated, I was expecting pick 13+ at least a 2 or 3 this year plus some top 4 conditional picks next year. like most here I am disappointed in the final tally. But as Idzik obviously didn’t jump at the first offer I think he exibited extreme patience trying to get the best deal for us.I have heard & read where T.B had set a deadline of Sunday or Monday so Idzik had a choice of something tangable or gambling on someone coming forward at the last minuite/Frankly,we dont know? I’m not thrilled but I’m ready to move on. My stratagy would be to see what we can get to move down either or both of these picks and perhaps even our 2nd rd pic as well?We need quantity as well as quality now and we will t be tweaking for our roster.

  125. By scjoe on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    64, you’re a funny guy. I have some pattern recognition skills of my own, but I don’t think I need them all that much to see where you are going with Rex Ryan, with Revis, and with what is believed to be your most favorite slogan these days, “building through the draft” The thing is, I already stated “to you” in an above post, that I am not “bashing” Idzik for this trade, I don’t know for sure if he was the orchestrater or the puppet. So much for your “pattern recognition” I still believe that your dislike for DR “the person” has taken you completely out of touch with reality. It had to, because this was a bad trade!

  126. By scjoe on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Kleckofan, I know you didn’t address your post to me personally, but as one of the complainers of the trade compensation I will say that I DID offer alternative game plans right here on this thread. One of them included Woody Johnson opening up his wallet and pay (at least for the short term) Revis something close to his asking price, an offer similar to the Bucs, and then proceed with a trade at a time when he had more leverage. It could have been structured cap friendly. That is one option. Revis checked out fine, the injury is now a non issue. I think the general consensus is 3-1 in believing the NYJ “got jobbed”

  127. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    RONBO, SCJOE, Thursday starts the draft, it is hard to say or speculate what is going to happen now that the Jets have 2 1st round picks. Some believe we should trade down and possibly get another 1st round pick and another 2nd round pick. Makes sense, but will it happen? IDZEK disappointed me I thought we would get more in this years draft. But I have been disappointed with the front office for the past 15 years. When I came home from Nam in 68 I went and watched Joe Willie Guarantee a SB, man was I proud of the JETS. 2 years later I watched the decline of the Jets through bad mnanagement. So now I am going to give the benefit of the doubt to IDZEK and hope that starting Thursday we become a team that by the 2014 season will become

  128. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    winners. That is all I am hoping for and That IDZIK is going to build a winning team from here on out. DRAFTING SMARTLY is all that counts from here on out….LETS GO JETS….

  129. By scjoe on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    One more point on your post kleckofan, since we all are just speculating here and using what if scenarios, because that‘s all we can do, “what if” Revis don’t respond to the injury? “What if” he has just a terrible season and it is determined that he will never be back to where he once was? How does that “no guarantee” look now for him and for the Bucs? All it would have cost them was a 1 this year and a “4” next year. Sure, the #1 is significant, but where is the guarantee that # 13 would not have been a bust anyway?

  130. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Unfortunately, scjoe, Revis is about the only “winner” we got. You can’t build a team around one player, especially a CB, especially one “who always wants to be at market,” as that insightful ESPN poster said the other day. Part of why I think sometimes I’m not talking to the same scjoe is because you seem to not read or not take into account so much of what I’m saying, what others here are saying, and what’s in the general sports press, like that there’s no pt paying a king’s ransom to a “shutdown corner” when the team is at least 2 drafts, a new QB, and a new HC away from contending. I’m more used to that kind of denial from the foul-mouthed lower lifeforms on the NFL site.

  131. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom for a Smart Draft on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Brilliantly in-depth stuff as usual Dr. Frank!

  132. By scjoe on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    64, back to MY “pattern recognition” I ask you this…WHO CARES about Darrelle Revis “whining” about his contract? Most players do that. The bottom line was how he performed on the playing field, and he did that just fine. In fact he did it better then anyone else at his position. I didn’t see the whining as a hindrance to what he was doing on the field, did you? That said, the NYJ should have been compensated accordingly, after all, he was thee best defensive player on the roster.

  133. By kw65fan on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Father Ronbo has spoken……

  134. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64, Revis was never my guy I wanted him traded last year I believe we got robbed is all, what posts of mine have you read? Next I’m very interested in what you and usual Idzik suspects think about the resigning of C-Pace I guarantee you never seen that coming. Looks like a Mike -T move to me but I know you loved when we let him go , now you’ll love the move Idzik made in bringing him back one more Old FA I personally like the move.Randy didn’t post my remark directed atyour snide comments to a few posters. I’ll tone it down, Idzik is in your eyes going to build us a dynasty, your guess? 2- 5 – 10 years, but Idzik is entering 2013 in lame duck status what you and Kleckofan believe Right, Rex is here using using up Air CONT>

  135. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Cont. here is what I said in a more tone down version. I challenged you Kleckofan whom ever with facts pertaining to Rex’s accomplishments. back to back AFC Championship games..one losing season in four, worst being 6-10.. Look through out the league one of the very best, Yet you praise, rant and rave about a guy who has accomplished nothing here yet, Except the signing of a few OLd FA’s as you guys so graciously put it So here it is I will back my opinion in saying in front of the whole radar world I’m willing to put it on the line Idzik or any coach you claim or want to replace Rex won’t come close to accomplishing what he has in his 4 seasons here are you game I am ?His speech on Sanchez come on what do you expect him to say he stinks

  136. By joe on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    jets needed the money to give sancez another extension jets got nothing for a futre hof in his prime

  137. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    Now I also believe losing Schotty and Callahan was a big part of our down fall . I know losing westy will hurt I also believe if we stayed with our #1 defense added a few pieces to the puzzle, stuck with Farve or any other decent QB, losing our core guys ON offense we win at least one of those 2 AFC games and probably a SB

  138. By Frank Verde on Apr 22, 2013 | Reply

    It’s clear that some fans would turn down 4 to 6 mil more per year from a competing company out of loyalty to their current employer.

    Negotiations are about leverage and creating the illusion of leverage. Trying to gain leverage over a wealthy owner is a messy business. Revis’s leverage is that he’s the best. When he withholds his services, the team loses the best. The Bucs’ leverage was creating a 16 mil/yr. market value for Revis. Since the Jets couldn’t come close to that offer, their only leverage was to withhold Revis’s services from the Bucs for one more year. Game Over! Revis’s play on the field is unimpeachable. Far from being a distraction, it sets a standard to be emulated. Still, it appears leverage dictated the outcome.

  139. By kleckofan on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC- Thanks for the level-headedness, great post. Reality is not a matter of interpretation. we had no bargaining power and got a #13 for a guy who we wouldn’t pay what he wanted and would not have been able to keep. How is that losing?

  140. By scjoe on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Dr Frank, agree totally with your philosophy on draft day. Trading down at least one of those 2 picks is a necessity. Maybe the # 9 for both of Minnesota’s two 1st rounder’s. That would give us 3 in the top 25. What I don’t agree with is your quote “at least we got something for him” (Revis) if we were talking about Tim Tebow that quote would be golden, but we are talking about one of the top 3 or 4 defensive players in the league and by far the best on this roster. I was never against trading Revis, the only thing I am against is the lack of compensation.

  141. By Row on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    For the record, I never wanted Revis gone. But in my opinion, Idzik made the best trade for the Jets. I don’t see the front office paying him 16 mil/yr, so he got a first round pick for a guy who was going to be a free agent next year. I still am not sure why Sanchez is still on the roster. Lots of great scenarios, just looking forward to the draft. I think Geno Smith has to be #1 on our board. Even with that in mind, I would like a pass rusher good on film with the other 1st rounder. 2nd round has to be G. Bernard. I really like Josh Evans, wherever we can take him. TE is the tricky position, there are some options in FA, go with them. Jordan scares me; Bad on film. No USC QB. OL depth in 3rd. No projects. We need football players. GO JETS

  142. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom 2 Days from Big Changes on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Karan, I like some of the guys you like but your remark about Mingo is evidence of a curious complacency among some Jet fans. Having just traded Revis for that #13 pick, the pressure on Idzik to get it right in this draft could hardly be greater. James Walker on ESPN said a similarly odd thing today when he said having 2 #1′s “takes the pressure off the Jets.” I gotta wonder if these guys actually follow the NFL. The Jets have been reduced to a big-talking, low-scoring joke with almost no talent on their roster. Every single pick they make, plus any UFA’s they pick up, in 2013 and 2014 are as critical as any in team history. “Mingo might be a bust but what if he’s not?” isn’t really a serious enough approach for this team at the moment.

  143. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom 2 Days from Big Changes on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    klecko, the first thing I noticed about your great post today is that you used the same word that me and others used, “complaining.” Then I saw you went into the actual REALITY — that’s as opposed to THE FANTASY — of what the Jets were up against in trying to trade Revis. I love these guys who act as if DR’s demands for outrageously unprecedented money over the last few yrs — demands, by the way, that he, shockingly to me, actually stuck to! — didn’t complicate the issue. As if his injury didn’t complicate the issue. And as if NO OTHER BIDDERS IN THE ENTIRE NFL didn’t complicate the issue! I guess my problem is expecting people who want simple answers to understand complex things. Thanks for reminding me of what a fool’s errand THAT is!

  144. By Tom Spicer on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, You are 100% right the jury is still out on Idzik & it will take at least 2 years for it to play out. Idzik could trade down & make the 9th pick into multiple picks & by Friday morning we all may be calling this guy the best thing since sliced bread. But I am not going to sit hear & lie to everyone like Tom 64 & make it seem like Idzik has done all of these great things & that Rex is the worst coach in the history of football. While Rex in the past has opened his mouth to much & does not know enough about O that does not make him a bad coach. He knows ALOT about D & in 4 years has coached our D up to be much better than the talent he has. What is wrong with the Jets is what MR.T has done NOT what Rex has done. Bad draft picks, bad

  145. By Tom Spicer on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    free agent signings, trading away to many draft picks & trading up for players that have been bust & handing out bad contracts. All MR.T’S doing & none of Rex’s. Now back to Idzik Tom 64 acts like this guy walks on water but so far he has done NOTHING. Anyone on this site could have looked at new york jets cap.com & made the cuts that Idzik made. He made not 1 good free agent signing & we have cap space. Not 1 person feels that we got the right value for Revis (a 27 year old player in his prime who is the best corner in the NFL & is a 1st ballot LOCK HALL OF FAMER). Lets see what happens Thursday?

  146. By Tom Spicer on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64, No I am disappointed that the Jets did not get a 1st, 3rd & at least 6th ALL THIS YEAR! Also you refuse to answer the question name 1 cut where anyone said what a smart move that was it saved us so much money 2 name 1 good free agent signing 3 name 1 good trade. YOU CANT!

  147. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    TOM SPICER, damn good post. I agree with what you stated above. Mr. T was made the Jets losers. As for RR, his mouth is what gets him in trouble with other teams as well as us fans. I have to admit he has been quite so far this year, I feel he knows his job is on the line and I also feel IDZIK gave RR a warning about over speaking. Thursday we start drafting, If the Vikes want to trade down great, that gives us an extra 1st rounder and maybe even a 2nd rounder. I will not speculate anymore. Nopw I am just waiting for THURSDAY… I am getting my provolone cheese and peperonni ready with a couple bottle of beers and I amdusting off my recliner for the draft… LETS GO JETS….

  148. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom 2 Days from Big Changes on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer, Question 1 is phrased in a way that I don’t really understand it but if you’re asking me if Idzik has saved any money by way of the guys we’ve let go, the answer is yes. As for FA’s, I’m with Idzik on cheap, short-term guys because this yr is about everyone on the roster being evaluated, so to me Goodson and those other guys aren’t bad FA pickups. What I find funny is that some of us get attacked for being pessimistic when we say Rex and Mark have to go, but we also get attacked for being optimistic when we say, three whole months in, that Idzik has us going in the right direction, as Ira says on the story ahead of this one. Let’s talk again after Thursday, if he blows it and picks all the wrong guys I’ll be as mad as anybody else.

  149. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom 2 Days from Big Changes on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks for your service, 64 Frank. I’m as shocked as you we’ve never returned to the SB but hang in there like you said and see how things look after Thursday at least and after next yr’s draft at most. scjoe, let’s get something straight RIGHT NOW: Me and GaryC have been two of the leading advocates — probably THE leading advocates — on this site of “building thru the draft” as long as the site’s been up. We said that before Rex got here, as he’s been here, and we’re saying it now. And now that Mr T’s gone, we actually have a shot at doing it. MJV, Rex’s 2 AFC game yrs were fine and it’s been all downhill since. As for Pace, who’s just for backup, see my post on the story ahead in which I predict scjoe’s next likely rabid post on that.

  150. By RONBO on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    TO ALL OF The RADAR GANG,over the past 18 months when I stumbled on to this site its been awsome getting to know all you lunatic’s here.As most of my friends & co-workers are Giants fans you guys have become sort of a Jet family.So,I’m thinking its time to move on from all the argueing no productive jibberish and lets talk some football! So with Minnesota,Atl & S.F all looking to move in the top 15 lets all put our thoughts together & see who can come up with the best trade idea’s.Anybody game?

  151. By scjoe on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, once again, the voice of reason. You are right, it is out of our control and the best thing to do is move on. Correction! The ONLY thing to do is move on. And I will do that, but while I am doing that I want to get my point across to 64 that you have to take personal feelings out of the equation when it comes to your favorite sports team, and I mean that both ways. I wonder how 64 would have felt about the compensation if it were a Mangold or any other player that he happens to be fond of. The compensation was not in line with the players skills, I know that, you know that, and deep down 64 knows that, just to stubborn to admit it.

  152. By GaryC on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    this is for the fans who feel Idzik doesn’t know what he is doing,this guy selected Bruce Irvin last year in first round when everyone said he was crazy doing that.Next year jets have four compensatories as of now,maybe Sanchez and Holmes gone next year, a lot of extra money on the table,you don’t think next year he will look to bring some of Seattle’s free agents in,and for Revis as opposed to Peterson with the ACL,the offensive player always knows where he is going to brace his knee,the defensive player has to react,not the same thing.

  153. By GaryC on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    REVIS WAS THE BEST CORNER,up to last year,we do not know anymore,get a grip.

  154. By scjoe on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    64, let me correct you, I do read your posts, in their entirety, and I do take in to account what you are trying to say, sometimes I even agree with you, sometimes I don’t. Let’s put aside what others say here on this site and around Jet nation, because I think you will lose on that front. The Revis trade is what it is. Most Jet fans and non Jet fans for that matter, expected more in compensation, most of the scribes as well, they are not all wrong. But no matter, it wont change anything. I also agree that you can’t “build your team” around one player, but when he is one of the best defensive players in the league it is a great start. WJ was dead on, he said……

  155. By scjoe on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    … the Revis trade “was ALL about money” his money! He just didn’t want to give it up, no matter how great a player Revis was. That was his choice. Here is the kicker in all of this, you can pay a guy like “Mark” that much money for what he does, but you can’t kick out a little of those billions for what Revis brings to the table? That is definitely NOT the way to build your team.

  156. By Cheryl on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    I can not believe Revis was let go. The best corner back in the NFL. All over money? Are you kidding me????
    I’m in shock the organization didn’t do everything possible to keep him.

    I’m a die hard Jet fan, this time you really upset me with this move.

    Shame on you.

  157. By Dr. Frank on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I agree that we should have gotten more for Revis as he is a very valuable commodity. However, the market was just not there for him. We needed a bidding war between a few teams to try and sweeten the pot. If we let him play out his contract, who knows what would have happened, but I don’t think we would have ever re-signed him next year anyway. His salary cap number would be way too high, I think, and it would sacrifice some of the talent we needed at other positions. My thought at the end of the season was to trade CROMARTIE and keep Revis, as I thought his value would be very high due to the pro bowl season he had. We could have saved money on him, possibly signed Revis who is younger. We could have ended up with nothing.

  158. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer. what Tom64 Kleckofan.Ronbo and the likes, are not realizing or just making like it doesn’t exist, this is NY and we all know how impatience they are even them I.E Mike -T Herm, Mangini, and now Rex, if Idzik doesn’t preform by next season they, well maybe Tom64 just to save face will have to swallow hard and stand silent from the fans who will be bashing him the same way they have the last 20 coaches since he can’t admit the truth about Rex being the the best of the lot since Weeb so I expect he and maybe his cohorts will be riding the wind or coattails in keeping step with the Popular Kids on the block.. Ira comments are level headed well thought out makes the most sense, and yes I agree Pace is a good signing.

  159. By kleckofan on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    I’m sorry this forum has degenerated into a scenario similar to the partisanship of D.C.
    scjoe- I appreciate your stated “alternative” to the trade of paying Revis his asking price. So we give him $16m and he gets hurt; he’s at the zenith of his career (but w an injury) with the downside approaching and we are rebuilding, how does that fit? We blow all the cap room we created in one fell swoop. Not a good alternative in my eyes. For all the references to the talking heads saying the Jets got the short end, I haven’t heard one say it was a good idea to pay a CB $16m, not one. In today’s multiple wideout sets how is one CB worth as much as your QB?

  160. By kleckofan on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    MJV-
    your level of vitriol on here astounds. It’s still just sports.
    OK I’ll give you two AFC title games, though it was w a team constructed before Rex’s arrival, then two non-winning seasons (see how I changed the 8-8 to “non-winning” rather than “non-losing”?).
    What about all the peripheral garbage he created? The game management shortcomings, the pressers, the player relations and locker room fiascos? No physically capable back up QB on the roster for a game? The foot thing, the tattoo etc etc. No stats for this garbage. I like his bravado and his loyalty, but he is not ready to be a HC in the NFL.

  161. By RONBO on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, I have always been very positive even when we disagree.apparently this is one of those times as for some reason you are lumping me with the impatient ones here?Have you actually been reading my posts? As for my feelings on Rex I think this is more about us disagreeing on how much credit he deserves for the two playoff appearences. Yes it was great the first two years but alot of those rosters were guys Herm & Mangenious brought in.For the record, I liked Herm & Manginni and was not a fan of how they were dumped! Rex lost a lot of fans when he claimed ignorence about the S.Holmes situation at the end of that season.His continued bluster and lack of accountability for the poor offense is where I jumped ship on him.For me its all about-

  162. By RONBO on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    cont.- believeability and Rex just makes too many statements that dont come true to have any credability too me. When you talk about patience shouldn’t Idzik get the same benefit of the doubt you expect us to have for Rex? Hey, Idzik to this point hasnt said or done anything to inflame the fan base.Some here on the Radar are upset with letting players leave as F/A’s but over the past 2 seasons none of those players got more than a 1 year deal elsewhere so obviously Idzik was correct in his assesment of their market value. Dude, I have great respect for your opinion and appreciate your input but like S.C.Joe & I always say when we differ,lets just agree to diagree and move forward to the next topic!

  163. By Dr. Frank on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, I like the way you are thinking. I can only hope that we can find two trading partners as you have suggested. I like Cooper alot, but I don’t think he is going to make it to #16. I like the ND TE pick, too, as we are in need of one badly, but this might be a little high for him at 22, but not sure. However, not in favor of drafting EJ Manuel at all. I don’t think he has the smarts to be a franchise QB. He reminds me of Jamarcus Russell. Also, when was the last time a QB from Florida actually did something in the pros. We already have one on our roster……I would rather see them pick a RB or WR or S in that spot and a QB later like Tyler Wilson, Landry Jones or Glennon or anyone else, even Manuel if you want him, just later.

  164. By kleckofan on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo-
    Thanks for all the hard work, interesting. No argument. You do know you could win one million dollars by guessing the first round picks in order? Then you could use that $1m to help sign our new HC and QB next year!

  165. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom 2 Days from Big Changes on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I dislike Revis as a player, not for personal reasons, because his greed, selfishness, and lack of character were bad for this team. That’s why I’m glad he’s gone and I don’t particularly care what he does now but you can bet I’ll smile a little for a yr or 2 when he gets beat. MJV, that vitriol that klecko refers to might be taking a toll on your memory. I’m Mr 3 Yrs and have been for as long as I’ve been posting on this site. I told you guys that “Mark’s” incredibly poor 1st half in the PIT playoff was ominous on the eve of his 3rd yr, and halfway thru his 3rd yr I said it was time to think seriously about losing him. While I like what Idzik’s done so far, I’ll make no major judgment on him until a similar pt in his time with us.

  166. By scjoe on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, you need to get out more bud. LOL. I like a lot of it, but don’t see them trading down twice. They need to get at least one impact player at 9 or 13. Beyond that it becomes a crap shoot. But tell you what, if the Rams offer their two #1s ( 16 & 22) for the #9 you jump on that before they have time to change their mind. Dr Frank. One quote really jumped out at me, re: EJ Manual, “I don’t think he has the smarts to be an NFL QB” I remember hearing that exact quote in the early 70s, about a particular QB, but 4 SB wins later and at least 2 SB MVPs, later, I never heard it again.

  167. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    RONBO great post, if it happens I am all for it, we could use the extra 1st round picks as well as immediate starters, glad you had Jarvis Jones in their. DR. FRANK I feel EJ Manuel is the best choice at QB he has all the tools to be a starter. I know we are all speculating right now, But that’s cool. We have one day left for the draft. Let us see what IDZIK does now… LETS GO JETS…

  168. By scjoe on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    Kleckofan, GMs these days are very creative, a few here have Mr Idzik walking on water already, so I would have to assume he would be creative as well. The Revis “extension” could have been structured in such a way (bonuses incentives etc.) where the bulk of the hit wouldn’t come until next year when Sanchez is gone and the cap loosens up considerably. Then, you can resume trade talks (assuming of course DR is not badly injured again) where you have some leverage. If he is fully recovered he once again is a hot commodity. If he IS injured beyond repair, that no guarantee contract kicks in at a very opportune time. Sure, you lost a top player to injury, but he wont be the first and certainly wont be the last.

  169. By scjoe on Apr 23, 2013 | Reply

    64, lets get something else straight RIGHT NOW, while were at it. You haven’t been posting on this site that much longer then I have! And in all those years it wasn’t till just recently that I first started witnessing this obsession about “building through the draft” I hadn’t heard it one time during the T Bum years (although, in retrospect, I can understand why) Look, it is no trade secret that ALL teams intentions are to “build through the draft” some have more success then others, some rely more on free agency then others, what ever works! It is illogical to believe that “building through the draft” in itself, is some magical avenue that is suddenly going to take you from worse to first.

  170. By RONBO on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    KLECKO FAN,Thanks,actually it only took a few minuites and I probably screwed up a bunch of times.DR.FRANK, My intention was to point out the possibliities if we traded down rather than what specific players we should pic.The problem with these moc’s is no one really knows what the other teams will do so its really a lot of guess work.As for E.J.Manuel, the Q.B. situation is kind of the flavor of the week thing.I have seen quite a few interviews he has done and been impressed. he comes off as both intellegent & articulate so I dont think thats gonna be a problem.I love his size,arm strength & athletic ability.Is he a finished product?probably not but all the Q.B’s in this class have their flaws. If we could bet him early 2nd it would allow-

  171. By RONBO on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    - us to use our 2 first rd picks on a G and either a OLB,T.E or S which we obviously need badly. I think most of us are really excited about this draft because its gonna be the first one in a long time run by a guy who has a clue what he’s doing. I hope Ira is right about the front office because he is gonna have to rely a great deal on their input because of how late he came aboard. Unlike Ira i’m not sure about who to blame for our horriable drafting over the last 8 to 10 years. Dont get me wrong, I thought Tannenbaum was a poor talent evaluator from day one.But I was more upset with the causal way he traded away draft picks than who we actually picked. We have an opportunity to bring in over 20 picks the next two years.

  172. By scjoe on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    64, how on earth can you dislike Revis as “A Player?” The whining and the greed come from Revis “The Person” NOT Revis the player.

  173. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom 1 Day from Big Changes on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    As the young folks like to say, scjoe, “That’s just wrong,” I was talking about rebuilding thru the draft from my very first posts on this site. But what are you gonna do when the team you root for makes it clear they’re not doin’ it? After Favre, at least starting over with a high QB pick seemed like a step in the right direction. Unfortunately, as I’ve said many times, I let Rex and his cheerleading override my own eyes, which watched just about every game Sanchez every played for USC and came away unimpressed. As for magic, I’ll leave that to you and George R.R. Martin. All I know is nobody every built a dynasty, which is what I’m interested in, without relying much more on the draft than FA’s.

  174. By Dr. Frank on Apr 24, 2013 | Reply

    Yes it is all speculation right now I am not in favor of EJ until later rounds. I hope they trade back at least once unless there is a player they absolutely love. Still like OL picks early and CB and TE and OLB if possible v

  175. By RONBO on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    DR.FRANK, I get your speticism about E.J.Manuel as he is clearly a “boom or bust candidate!Everone knows about his arm,size and decent body of work at Fl St. Of course the question now becomes;how bad does he want to be great?From what I have heard and seen I think he is well worth the risk of a 2nd rd pick.But not at 9 or 13.

  176. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom at the Dawn of the New Rising Sun on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    Adventures in Tautology from the Faux scjoe, what a bore. This “the player, the person” nonsense is for philosophers who rake in a fortune and hold tenure at overpriced universities and then send our kids out into the world with no job skills, not for a serious discussion of an arrogant, perpetually malconted diva who thinks of nobody but himself. Ronbo, you’ll recall that I’ve said for a long time that we need a football man as a GM. Heck, I even want a football man like Curtis Martin as an owner! So we’re way ahead with Idzik, who both played and coached football, as opposed to Mr T who talked about football like a fantasy league-addicted kid. And I think you’ll see a difference in the quality of our draft picks accordingly.

  177. By scjoe on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    64, IF you go back to this story. Putting philosophers and philosophy aside for now, tell me in YOUR own words when Revis brought his selfishness, his arrogance and his greed to the playing field, then tell me when it resulted in an opponents TD or a win. See, that’s the difference between me and you, you dwell on the persons persona and his character, I on the other hand dwell on what he does on the field and how he helps his team win! Because THAT is what he gets paid for. How much he gets paid is not under my control, or yours.

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