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Draft Ahead (So Is Jets Talk Live Draft Show)

Posted by Randy Lange on April 25, 2013 – 3:38 pm

Tick … tick … tick …

That’s the sound of your favorite draft countdown clock. Or if you don’t have that countdown clock on a computer screen in front of you, it’s the internal draft clock echoing down the college canyons of your mind.

The NFL Draft finally arrives tonight, and for Jets fans it can’t come soon enough. GM John Idzik said the draft will be the Green & White’s lifeline, and with beginning with picks 9 and 13, the team will begin to pull itself toward 2013 with, at the moment, eight selections from tonight through late Saturday afternoon.

We say at the moment because there’s no need to tell Jets fans that all draft picks (except compensatories, of which the Jets have none this year) can be spent on other picks. It’s possible the Jets could package 9 and 13 and move into the top five in this draft. It’s also possible that the I-Team will entertain phonecalls from other teams about wanting to trade up to one or both of the Jets’ high first-round positions and thus that they could trade down and pick up at least one extra pick for each move down.

Purely as a mental exercise using one of the now ubiquitous Draft Trade Value Boards, if the Jets were to drop from, say, No. 13, just a few spots, the trading partner would need to send over something high in Round 4 to the Jets for the privilege. A Jets tradedown to around No. 20 would be in the high-third-round neighborhood. A move to the mid-20s might bring a mid-second-round choice in return.

But just as surely the Jets could stand pat at Nos. 9 and 13 and pluck the top-ranked player on their value board at that time for the move into the future.

Here’s one more bit of trivia for draftniks as we wait for the last few hours to slip-slide away. Since the first AFL-NFL common draft in 1967, the Jets have spent the No. 13 pick on a player twice:

■ In 1973 they tabbed Miami safety Burgess Owens, who had a solid 10-year NFL career, the first seven spent patrolling the Jets’ deep middle.

■ In 2000 they selected South Carolina DE John Abraham, one of the best pass rushers in franchise history for at least six seasons, which is the amount of time he spent in green and white, accumulating 53.5 sacks before he was traded to Atlanta in 2006.

Similarly the Jets also have used the No. 9 pick on a pair of players since ’67:

■ In 1972 they chose Jackson State WR Jerome Barkum, who went on to play both wideout and tight end in his distinguished 12-year Jets career.

■ And in 1995 they grabbed Penn State TE Kyle Brady, who unfurled an efficient 13-year pro career, the first four seasons with the Jets, then eight with Jacksonville, then as a contributor to New England’s Super Bowl team in 2007.

I remember Brady getting a bit of a boo-bird ballad cascading down from the Jets fans in the Paramount Theatre at Madison Square Garden that year, and Brady saying later, slightly mystified, that he didn’t quite expect that kind of reaction.

Certainly that is possible at any draft from the Jets faithful, but I just have a feeling that the reaction will be favorable tonight — two picks in the top 13 with all but a handful of the best college players available for the picking at either spot. At 10 minutes maximum per pick, we’d expect the Jets to make the first selection of the Idzik regime somewhere around 9:30 p.m. EDT.

Before-Show on NewYorkJets.com

If you’ve got that computer, SmartPhone, BlackBerry, etc., available at any time from 6:30-8 p.m., check out the Jets Talk LIVE predraft show. Eric Allen, my partner, hosts the festivities from the season ticket holders draft party at MetLife Stadium. He’ll have a whole bunch of Jets players and other celebrities for on-camera interviews, recorded features, and several guest phone-ins (one of whom will be yours truly reporting from Radio City Music Hall just before the start of the draft around 7:45 p.m.).

Here at the Jets we do a great job of putting on a predraft televised special (if I do say so myself), and this year’s before-show figures to be the best yet.

And on Sunday, Some Good Cheer

As if the draft isn’t enough in the Jets universe, the team will wrap up the weekend with the 2013 New York Jets Flight Crew audition finals at MetLife Stadium. Director Denise Garvey will welcome 54 finalists to the audition — 26 Flight Crew veterans and 28 preliminary- and semifinal-round contestants.

In the early afternoon the finalists will present dance routines and kicks taught to them during the semifinal round. And by 4:30 p.m., Garvey plans to announce up to 40 members of the 2013 New York Jets Flight Crew.

The audition finals are closed to the public, but we’ll let you all know who made the Flight Crew Class of ’13 as soon as we can on Sunday.


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221 Responses to “Draft Ahead (So Is Jets Talk Live Draft Show)”

  1. By carl on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    Hey John, make the Jet fans cheer this year!!! Go Faster Jets !!!!!

  2. By Allan O'Dane on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    Tonight….starts the new era my friends. Tonights draft…Idzk will lay down the foundation for this team for the next 4 years. I could not be more excited…but yet at the same time nervous. Tonight…I want to see the present and the future. Mr.Idzik..I’ve been a fan for 30yrs…No more Butt jokes…No more hotdogs on the sideline…No more “ME” or “I” players…No more “Same Ol’ Jets”… I want to see this team come together piece by piece.. I want a Championship type caliber team!…So Mr.Idzik….GET IT DONE!…

  3. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom at the Dawn of the New Rising Sun on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    THE FUTURE IS NOW!

  4. By RONBO on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    IRA, now the “Firemen Ed has abandoned us I believe you are now the reigning #1
    Jet fan! As such I think its only fitting that you lead us in prayer as we embark on this crusade to again become relevent!(for somthing other than “butt Fumbles or futility!
    Anybody who’s interested I posted my take on the top 10 w.r’s, slot recievers and T.E’s. Its on the Calvin Pace header!
    GOOD LUCK to all my Jet Fan Brothers! “May the force be with us!”

  5. By GaryC on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    final say before countdown,Idzik,be who we think you are,hoping you have brought Seattle dust to these shores,the Tanny years are over,no more trading up,trading down is the new mantra unless you like the player where you are,LET’S GET READY TO RUMBLE.

  6. By Charles on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    And yet again the NY Jets over reached for spot fixes. Will they ever understand what the Draft is or how it works?

  7. By kw65fan on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    DT…DT…why…don’t see it. Jones was right there to grab…BUT NO…a DT. Needed a OLB to help rush the passer…BUT NO…DT. first pick I am okay with. Way to go Izzy…making a really big splash on day one. Doubtful in getting a TE of the 2 big guys now. guess no takers to trade down with if you even tried. DT. Just don’t get it. Star would have been better…kind of a reach….DT..???????

  8. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64, Kleckofan, CaryC ,, Not only Idzik didn’t go offense with either pick he pick the worst player available of the 9 without a doubt, guess who’s influence is all over these 2 guys, it certainly isn’t Marty Morningwig, Tom64 the future now,Dawn of the new rising sun LOL sorry Man , I just couldn’t help myself, lets hear about how marshall Falk, Rich. Mayock and Steve Mariuchi don’t know anything about football the way you slandered That writer who happens to be a Jet fan, in my eyes he was on the money, They practically fell off their chairs when Jets picked @9 BTW only pick of the 9 they criticized, Can’t wait to hear your 90 posts on why, plus I can’t wait to see your new name. .

  9. By Karan on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    Duddee, are you kidding me? Ok I can understand the Dee Milliner pick, but come on, at 13 you had Tyler Eifert and Jarvis Jones still available and you choose another DT. Clearly, Rex still has an influence in the draft room. At 9, you guys should have drafted Chance Warmack, this team needs O-Lineman help. Dee could have still been up there at 13. Not a big fan of this first round at all. I really hope I’m wrong but not a big fan of Idzik right now, especially of the guys that still surround him (ex. Bradway, Tannenbaum guys). Eifert with Cincy now, Ertz will not last till 39. Also very upset with Miami getting Jordan. And Pittsburgh continues to prove why there one of the smartest franchises in football history, drafted Jones. Same Old Jets? I don’t know, I’m speaking too early but just a bit dissappinted right now.

  10. By Karan on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    I understand wanting to rebuild a defense. While a line of Wilkerson, Richardson and Coples sounds great, the Jets should have concentrated on the O side of the ball. Hope Round 2 is better.

  11. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe, Spicer, I believe you guys were more in step with reality, As I believed …. posts are going to come fast and furious from you know who, Lock and load guys, turns out you’re more equipped with the facts SAD Part None of US even gave these two a thought @ 9 and 13 .. I believe Mike -T would have made better picks ,and that’s saying a lot for me, any one who reads or knows what I have wrote. over last 2 seasons, knows Mike-T and I were not on the same page. not even close ..

  12. By judalation on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    So you give up the best corner in the NFL and take a 12 MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT for ONE PICK in the first round… And you use it to FILL THE GAP CREATED TO REPLACE REVIS IN THE FIRST PLACE? Have you guys heard of one step forward and two steps back?

    And to top it off you draft a good player IN THE SAME POSITION as your first rounder LAST YEAR? Where is the great Outside linebacker that we need? I dont think you are actually going to convert this guy to Outside linebacker? You just waisted 2 draft picks!

    Oh and when will you draft a QB already? If you think the team can put up with Sanchez with the schedule we have next year then sell the team to JOE!

  13. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom at the Dawn of the New Rising Sun on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    I’m sure Rex is thrilled to get 2 D guys who were ranked in the Top 15 overall, including a CB who wasn’t supposed to be there at 9 — I’m pretty thrilled myself! But I watched the draft with Arte and his take on this sounded right to me– this yr is the “Best Available Player” draft, next yr is the draft for O. We obviously didn’t like any of the QBs, all of whom we coulda had, that much; RB is one of the spots at which we need less help, especially if we get Ivory; and it’s not usually smart to pick WRs and TEs high until you know who’s throwing to them. This way Rex gets this yr to prove he’s good enough on D to deserve a shot at remaking the O next yr. I think this also makes clear we’re definitely gonna start playing a lot more 4-3.

  14. By GaryC on Apr 25, 2013 | Reply

    look at the green and white blog,at least I got that right when I said Ogletree would go before Teo

  15. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom at the Dawn of the New Rising Sun on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I think the 2 picks also bear out Arte’s pt to me on the phone yesterday about no more projects but instead guys who can start right away. It’ll be shocking if both Milliner and Richardson aren’t in the starting lineup opening day — which reminds me, nice to see the Jets picking guys high up from LEGENDARY FOOTBALL PROGRAMS instead of places like Boise St and U Mass! I’m sure we’ll pick at least one OL soon but as many even on this site said, unless you’re looking at a Mangold it’s always hard to pick one of them #1. And by the way, for those of you who kept saying “Don’t put another #1 QB pick in Rex’s hands!,” well, we had two chances to do so and we didn’t. Finally, I TOLD you I thought Idzik might surprise everybody, including me…

  16. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    OK, let me see if I understand this. In 2011 the NYJ select a 3-4 DE in the 1st rd of the draft, in 2012 the NYJ select a 3-4 DE in the 1st rd of the draft, so what they do in 2013 in the 1st rd of the draft??????? With needs at almost every spot EXCEPT DE, They select a 3-4 DE!! Because even though he is listed as a DT, he can not play NT in a 3-4 D. At 297 lbs, he is a DE! Maybe one of you who already had Idzik walking on water can explain this logic to me. Oh yea, wait till next year when Rex is gone and they convert to a 4-3. Where is the pass rusher?

  17. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom at the Dawn of the New Rising Sun on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    A post from ESPN that I like a lot. Short, sweet, to the point, insightful, non-hysterical, and displaying understanding of how a multi-yr rebuilding program works: “Sanchez is gone next season. They’re setting up the defense this year and the offense next year with a new qb. You can see right through it.”

  18. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom at the Dawn of the New Rising Sun on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s a really smart post from a guy on ESPN, at least for people who understand what rebuilding is all about: “They better not take a QB in the second. None of the QBs are likely to be franchise quarterbacks and if they take one, they’ll name him the QB of the future and would be hesitant to draft one next year. I’d rather have one more year of Sanchez and 10 years of an elite QB drafted/acquired next year than 5 more years of bad quarterbacking by Smith, Barkley or Nassib.” We need more fans like this who can actually think over the course of several yrs, not buy into the hype that every yr we’re only a few players away from winning it all.

  19. By joeyjets12fla on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    does anyone really believe that revis is going to give milliner any kind of advise as faulk would suggest.now i’m not bab mouthing revis but i really can’t see him getting involed with the kid after his comments that he was lied to about being traded. a cb did not shock me but the de kinda caught me off guard, not that we don’t need a successful pass rusher but i thought we would have gone offence. on the other hand maybe mornhinweg didn’t want anyone in the first round. nothing flashy but we got solid players.milliner needs to improve his hands but still a blanket cover guy. scjoe who’s to say that if rex is gone next year and who ever is brought in they go to a 4-3 D. last year they were in the 4-3 about 30 percent of the time. continued:

  20. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Can Keep a Cool, Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    So MJV, you love Rex but hate his favorite guy on the whole board. You hate Idzik for allegedly trading Revis for not enough but you don’t get drafting the best CB on the board from the best team in college football, who’ll play for a few yrs for a fraction of what Mevis wanted from us. Who’ll start but doesn’t have to do any better than Revis did his 1st yr (just okay) because this yr isn’t, AS I KEEP TELLING YOU GUYS, about the W-L record. And I guess you don’t know Richardson had 14 tackles in a game vs Milliner’s team and that at 295, he’s fast, versatile, and a totally different kind of DL than Ellis, whom Idzik couldn’t care less about. And you STILL don’t get it’s not about getting “Mark” more weapons! Could you be any more clueless?

  21. By joeyjets12fla on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    really thought eifirt would’ve been their in the second round, maybe we get ertz. hey geno, oh well. nice timing on the arrogant card the day before the draft. 10-1 whens its all over the race card gets pulled, just a gut feeling,

  22. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Can Keep a Cool, Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    kw65, Jones has spinal stenosis, a degenerative condition. Only a team like PIT that’s always loaded on D can afford a guy like that at #1. Richardson was rated #14 on the whole board, we took him at 13, what a crime! judalation, what if Richardson is a better DL than any of the LBs in the 1st round and you still have 2 days to get a LB? And you’re going to a 4-3 anyway? And why do you want the Jets to be the only dumb team at QB when today only BUF was? The BIG story is NO ONE likes the QBs or overvalues the RBs, and you think the Jets should go AGAINST that thinking? There’s a Darwinian shakeout on this site between the ADD kids who think we can win ASAP and the adults who want to build a long-term winner. The adults are way ahead so far.

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Can Keep a Cool, Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, your post is almost as hilarious as MJV’s, but not by much. So you hate Idzik SO MUCH that even when he passes on a mediocre QB/RB/WR field and picks the kind of players on D that Rex LOVES — guys that Rex HAS to be OVER THE MOON about — you contrive to slam Idzik? At this pt, your remarks on the new GM are only interesting to me clinically, not in terms of any football smarts, but I’ll try to bring you along slowly. Rex said today we’re gonna play more 4-3. We’re not “deep” ANYWHERE and Richardson is the most versatile DL in this draft whether he can play NT or not. And I guess you never heard of getting sacks out of your DL instead of LBs like, oh, the Giants have done to win 2 SBs. Get a clue, it’s not about going 8-8 this yr.

  24. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Can Keep a Cool, Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    judalation, CAN YOU ADD NUMBERS? Revis wanted every penny of ALL our available cap money to play at a time when we need to rebuild EVERYWHERE! Milliner will play for NOTHING compared to that and doesn’t have to light it up ASAP because we’re not going anywhere this yr. And explain to me how when you’re rebuilding letting go a vet for a rookie at the same position is “two steps forward, one step back”? No, don’t, your last sentence about “putting up with Sanchez with this yr’s sked” shows you’re just another dreamer who thinks we’re close to winning anything. Sanchez losing out to Garrard and McElroy, the latter then getting a chance to prove we don’t need to draft a QB #1 in 2014, works fine for me if we don’t pick a QB lower down today.

  25. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Can Keep a Cool, Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Even Cimini, whose kneejerk lust to root against any big changes on the Jets rivals that of MJV and scjoe, gets it: “With Richardson, Wilkerson, and Coples, the Jets have the makings of a dominant line. Ryan loves him some D linemen, and he was tickled by the pick. Both picks, really. “Those two guys will make an impact for us,” said Ryan, who now has a better chance of showing his new boss how good a defensive coach he can be.” READ THAT LAST LINE CAREFULLY, REX FANS: You’ve been whining for months that poor Rex is gonna get fired, now they give him a fair chance to prove in a rebuilding yr that he deserves NOT to get fired and you’re STILL not satisfied! Like I said last yr, we not only need a lot of new players, we need a few new fans.

  26. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    By the way, MJV, since you’re so interested in names, today’s is a reference to the Beach Boys’ “I Get Around,” the breezy optimism of which would do you a lot of good. (Yeah, BB fans, I corrected it.) Or to use the words of another all-time great California band — the Byrds, on the “Eight Miles High” flip side “Why?” — “I don’t know where you live/But you’re not LIVING/Why?” Stop looking at the bad side of everything the Jets do, take a deep breath, and see if you can resist predicting disaster until, like, maybe the OTAs. Today you got Idzik, Rex, and all their scouts thrilled with the guys they picked when everybody in the press predicted nothing but sniping and disaster and you’re still doom-and-glooming it. When we have 6 more picks.

  27. By IRA on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, Thanks but i am only part of a team of fans like you and everybody else. We are all #1’s.
    As for last night well i though Milliner could be a possibilty but i was surprised with Richardson. Can’t knock the picks because this team needs everything so a CB and DL fills needs and they were both listed as top 15 picks. I still would have liked to see a OG or passs rusher but Idzik is right you have to stick to your board.
    Tonight well TE, Safety, WR, PR and QB will all be in play.

  28. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Hey Geno,Nolan Nawrocki was right all along,like I said,time to put your big man’s pants on.

  29. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    The jets will address the offense today,were the jets going to trade up for Austin,were they going to select a project in Patterson,there weren’t a lot of skilled position players worthy of were the jets selected,there is no more Pouha,Devito,they need players for the defensive line,Ertz is still there,Hunter,Robert Woods.

  30. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Tell me why when the Giants have Tuck and Osi,and then they draft Kiawanuka and JPP.no one yells why are the giants drafting defensive linemen when they already have two of the best,If the jets traded three picks to move up for Patterson people would have been screaming,they drafted best available,which most gms say is the way to go,do I really want to see Kyle Wilson as my starting cornerback.

  31. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe,didn’t take you long to condemn the picks already,amazing,what happens if the jets go to a four three,what we cannot get a rush,from Coples,Wilkerson,Richardson and Barnes,check out where Richardson was graded before condemning the pick.

  32. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    THE OVERHYPED,NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME PLAYERS,Geno Smith,Manti Te’o and Ryan Nassib.

  33. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,you hit it on the head,finally a number one pick from the SEC,a long time in coming.

  34. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Tom Spicer,I guess Mehta did not familiarize the jets brass enough with Jarvis Jones.

  35. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Really I see a special crowd here doing a 190, come on, dzik is the next coming of the messiah, Sure he is, Now I’m not saying he’s Bad or wrong j saying he’ doing nothing different from Mike-T, at this point, I know one in particular is already spinning and excusing in the opposite direction. I know I heard them saying Idzik is going to concentrate on offense this year being Rex is a goner next , We’ll Hello, Guess who absolutely loves DB’s anywhere in the draft, REX RYAN, Tom64 future now, rising Sun, please lecture us on how Rex has no influence any more, hes just going through the motions this year, Millner is coming off shoulder surgery plus he can’t catch the ball, his combine proved that, please tell me why @9

  36. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    WOW, Geno Smith GOES HOME because he’s not picked in the first round? After all the bragging on himself he’s done for months? If we were ever interested in THAT guy, I sure hope we aren’t anymore! He can’t love New York or even New Jersey all that much if he won’t take it like a man and stick around till he’s picked. That might earn him some respect, this just makes him look like a loser. And it makes an even worse statement about his leadership potential than “Mark” laying his head on Edwards’ shoulder like a little boy on the way off the field vs BUF after losing the game with his 5th pick. And hey MJV, yeah, I clear ALL work for AT LEAST the first day of the NFL draft. That’s what REAL JET FANS who want to BUILD A WINNER do if they can!

  37. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    So this has been the agenda since our new GM has arrived, signing players like Colon, Pace,Goodman, Barnes, Garrard, all at the end of careers, with the exception of Goodman. he’s just injury prone, Drafting CB coming back from injury, drops everything thrown his way, @9 another DE @ 13 didn’t we take a DE 1st last year? tell me how moves like this equal great rebuilding strategy, Please explain what we’re doing differently, I mean I know the certain few will have spin excuse all that , but like I said can’t take them seriously anymore, I don’t see any change Idzik with 2 -1st round picks which BTW were the most important in this early rebuilding process. I’m not feeling very confident in what’s happened so far not one bit.

  38. By kw65fan on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Don’t care where this guy at DT was rated.. We needed production and Jones at OLB was the most productive OLB in college the last 2 years in the SEC which happens to be the best division in College. Way to go Izzy. And how quickly we forgot about Ellis who we drafted 2 years ago and showed promise last year playing behind Pouha and started some games when he was down. Wasted pick in my opinion.

  39. By Tom Turvey on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    The D finished 8th overall last year in the NFL, the O 30th. Help me understand how you decided to use your two first round picks on the defensive side of the ball? Are you paying no attention to what happened last year? Without a dominant (not strong, dominant!) O line, we can’t run the ball and Mark can’t run play action effectively. So his choice is to throw down the field to….no one. Oh, and he’s not a drop-back passer. WHERE IS THE PLAN TO CREATE THE STRONGEST O LINE IN THE NFL??? Without it, the offense has no chance.

  40. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    This is what perception is all about,if Richardson is drafted by the Steelers or Giants,he has a chance to be Warren Sapp,but seeing he is drafted by jets,he has the makings of a bust.

  41. By kw65fan on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    God help whoever plays QB this year…Miami with now Jordan and Wake…Steeler with (should of been our guy) Jones and their other OLB forgot his name but also a beast….

  42. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Geno sure looked like a born leader in the green room,I thought for a minute he was going to go under the table.

  43. By carolina jet fan on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I”m surprised @ the # of fans on this site who tthink Richardson is a stupid pick without seeing him play one snap in the NFL.I guess the Giants were lame to draft LT because they already had Carson and Pepper Johnson, GB had no clue when they drafted Rodgers as they were set at that position with Faurve. I posted before that this team is not going to be fixed in 1 draft.The shortest route to disrupt the backfield is thru the center. I for one would love to see a reincarnation of Salem,Gas, Lyons and Klecko.

  44. By Chicago Bob on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    As I have made it known in previous posts, I would have liked to see Warmack picked with #9 – hopefully I am wrong and he just turns out to be a solid player and not a perennial All-Pro. I really don’t have an issue with Richardson – this kid can play. Despite taking Wlkerson & Coples, our DL still needed help. In reality we all know this is a major project at work and it will not be fixed overnight – there are still a lot of talented offensive players (Woods, Allen, Hunter, Ertz, Escobar & Warford) left who most likely will be wearing the green & white in the upcoming season. Hopefully the Saints bite on our offer for Ivory.

  45. By MIKE on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I can’t imagine this draft starting any worse for the Jets. The 3 guys they needed the most all went in front of them ( Jordan, Mingo, Austin), then Austin gets taken by Rams at 8 leaving know real dynamic players worthy of the 9 pick for other teams to trade for.

    The Jets take the logical best CB in the draft with Milliner who boasts he can replace Revis. Good luck!

    Then same thing at 13, Idzik tries to trade back again but know body bites. Jets take another Mo Wilkerson.

    Bottom line, Jets fail to fill the 4 most gaping holes the team at G, TE, OLB, and QB.

    On the plus side that D line looks pretty sweet. I think the Jets move Mo to NT and use Coples and Richardson at DE.

  46. By SCfromNY on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I am NOT pleased with either pick. I expected at least one trade down for extra picks. I agree Millner is a good CB BUT our pass defense was decent compared to our O. There are other CBs available in later rounds. As for DT . . . I am lost. I know they want to draft for the best player BUT to pick a position where we have back to back 1rst round picks already?

    My only hope is that they decided that 2013 was a lost year and next year with the draft and cap space for FAs they can take care of offense. Let’s see SOME O in the later rounds.

  47. By SCfromNY on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    No matter how much we bulk up the D they will not prosper by being on the field 3/4 of the game. Tons of “3 and Outs” along with turnovers will tire the D. No matter what plans for 2014 i hope we will at least not be laughable. You can lose and not look pathetic.

    On the brightside this year the Super Bowl will be in NY so maybe the Jets can snaek in to watch and get autographs.

  48. By wayne on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    If jets pick QB with 2nd pick, and load up with dee all it means is that they intend to keep scores respectible this year in a 2-14 year….No sense in taking offensive guys this year. O guys this year will be sacrificial lambs…..2nd pick will tell much….Don’t believe Rex made these picks, but his actions last week has me wondering if he’s feeling his oats again? Has he been given assurances? This man cannot coach a franchise QB, so if they pick QB 2nd, they’re probably going after the defensive stud for next year…..and keeping Rex……..Either way it 2-14 or bust!!!!! Enjoy, fundamentalist fanatics……..I feel sorry for those who’ve bought PSLs

  49. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    64, sorry! You can sugar coat this all you like, the fact of the matter is a 297 lb 3-4 DE/4-3 DT was at the very bottom of the long list of needs for this team, you can’t even make the argument he was the “best player available” at that time because he wasn’t even close. He was clearly behind Jones, Vaccaro, Eifert, Werner, even Patterson, ALL which were definite needs for this team. I don’t know, but it looks to me like this draft was orchestrated by none other then Rex Ryan, the same Rex Ryan who will be gone by October! Lets see how the rest of this “latest debacle” plays out.

  50. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    64, the “rebuilding” chant is really, really, starting to get old! If you truly are interested in “rebuilding” instead of just using it as a cover up for what your boy did yesterday, ask yourself this, why not begin to “rebuild” that 30th ranked offense? This team has NO RB, NO TE, the worse QB in the league by far, NO starting caliber guards and a couple of really iffy WRs. But instead, it is another D lineman (for the 3rd straight year) Don’t embarrass your self anymore dude, put the one liners aside for now, step back in to the world of reality and tell me honestly why another D Lineman with ALL those offensive needs and a chance to fill anyone of them?

  51. By jetpete on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Happy about are picks as this will be mostly a defensive draft. And to “Jet Fan Since ’64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head ” Spot on with you comments. Go Jets!

  52. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, see if you can follow me on this: Can you conceive of Idzik’s plans for rebuilding the team not necessarily being the opposite of everything Rex wants the Jets to do in the draft? Can you imagine that maybe Idzik can’t get either Austin or any number of OL guys and sees 2 great D guys that he didn’t expect on the board and goes in that direction? Do you think maybe Idzik notices that the other team at MetLife Stadium has won 2 SBs lately by way of the best traditional pass rush in the NFL? Has it occurred to you that Idzik REALLY DOES have at least a 3-yr deal and REALLY IS thinking of his first 2 drafts as one continuous process, taking into account what each yr’s field offers at each position? I didn’t think so…

  53. By RONBO on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    CAROLINA JET FAN & GARY C, I dont think anybody here doubts Richardson is a really good football player. I think the reaction mirrows what we all saw on ESPN & the NFL network. WHY? Why take another D.E when that is one of our few posisitions of strength? Unless we are swithching to 4-3 there is no posisition in this D for him? At 6-3 282 he is way to light to play nose. And he is reputted to be a good passrusher but no very good against the run.Rather than further rip this pick let me suggest what we should have done; at 9 Warmack! at 13 either Milliner,or Trufant.Trufant is really a better fit as Kyle Wilson is much better on the outside than in the slot.Trufant is more versatile and would do a better job against ssiftier slot recievers

  54. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, I read a lot of negative comments about that 13th pick not only here on this site but everywhere else as well, but I haven’t read one single comment that described Richardson as “a bust” as you suggested above. Instead I heard realistic intelligent comments and questions like “why another D Lineman with ALL those other needs.” I didn’t even here anyone question his production, as you also referred to, just “why-another-D-Lineman-with-all-those-other-needs!” Can you answer that question with any degree of sanity? Especially from a guy who wanted OG and TE in the 1st round?

  55. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Gary C, How did your boy Bjorn Wener do oh yea thats right he got drafted after Jarvis Jones. Also lets make a bet that Jones has at least 2 more sacks than Wener next year. Stop flapping your gums put up or shut up!

  56. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, it’s funny that a few days ago you posted that you don’t agree with me often, because today you and I agree on just about everything right down to Geno’s leadership potential. But yeah, you just can’t please some Same Old Jet fans — they love Rex, constantly say “Defense wins championships,” and then we pick 2 of the best D guys on the board, guys who did everything that could possibly have been asked of them on 2 of the best football programs in the nation and they wanna know why we didn’t reach with another QB when we’re not sure our current HC is gonna be here in 2014. Chi Bob, “We all know this is a major project at work” is a very generous estimation, some days it seems like about 4 or 5 of us on this site at best know that…

  57. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I posted multiple things in the prior story (I thought they were going hear) about how while these guys are good players. I dont understand the picks we had MUCH bigger needs at other postions that were rated just as high that we coudl have taken . Expecially the Richardson pick he plays the same postion as Wilkerson & Coples unless we are going to a 4-3 100% of the time this pick makes no sense!

  58. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    SCJoe, Mike Jet Vet, Karan, KW65Fan, Judalation, Tom Turvey, Chicago BoB, Mike & SC from NY. I agree with all of you guys. I dont know what else to say because I said it all in the prior post & you guys pretty much all said the same thing in this post. While these guys are good players neither of them fit our needs when there were players rated just as high or higher at needed spots.

  59. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    All kidding aside, MJV, Milliner was so highly rated at CB that nobody even dreamed the Jets could get him — except for Gil Brandt, an ex-exec at one of the greatest NFL franchises in history, who predicted we’d trade up to 3 to do so. (Don’t know if Randy’s gonna print my post with Brandt’s full rave on DM.) I doubt highly after the way DM played at Alabama a few drops at the Combine turned too many teams off him. As for his injuries, as Idzik says most NFL teams cleared him medically — and he missed ONE GAME in which he could’ve played but they held him out! You might also recall Revis dropped a lot INTs early in his career and who says INTs are the main standard in judging a CBs value? Where’s McCourty now after all his rookie-yr INTs?

  60. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I’ll level with you: You and MJV have said some really stupid things lately and I’ve occasionally posted in really no-holds-barred mode to both of you. Randy tends to nix those posts, which is his right, so I don’t know if he’ll nix this one. But just for the record, you’re the one embarrassing yourself. For some bizarre reason you’ve decided you can’t admit that Idzik could possibly have some longer-term strategies. Can’t seem to read anymore otherwise you’d know how highly Milliner and Richardson have been rated. Can’t seem to sit still for a minute unless we’re in the race for the SB ASAP. Most of what you said this morning isn’t worth responding to at all but I’m cutting you a break. Read GaryC’s posts and try to learn something.

  61. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    tom spicer,relax,geno smith will get drafted today,as for Jones against Woerner,Jones was rated higher,and he did go to the perfect team to succeed,we will see,but right now neither is on the jets,so who cares.

  62. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    How many of you are gonna keep saying “Unless we’re going to a 4-3″ as if it’s a federal offense to do so? And after Rex has said we’re gonna play a lot of 4-3 and other schemes that play to Richardson’s skills? I’m no big fan of Rex but even I won’t accuse him of getting excited about a guy, cheering the pick, and then only afterward saying, “Oh, damn, I forgot, we play a 3-4.” Ronbo, after YEARS of folks on this site right up to last night saying “Where’s the passrusher?” we pick Richardson and you say, “Where’s the run-stuffer?” Jeez, Louise, you are hard to please! And if you think the less physical Trufant is a better pro-style CB than Milliner, you’re in the minority. scjoe, posts on Richardson from kneejerk Jet haters don’t count.

  63. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks, jetpete, as Hendrix mused on “My Friend, ” “It gets very lonely out in this row…” — that is, out on the Boulevard of Unbroken Jet Fans Who Haven’t Been Taught By Hysterical New York Sportswriters to Immediately and Unthinkingly Hate Every Single Move the Jets Ever Make. The only thing I see at all like it out there are the morons on places like MSNBC and Salon who are ready to blame any problem, anywhere, anytime on, of course, the U.S.A.

  64. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe,I refer to the word bust,meaning a lot of fans always have gloom and doom for any jet pick,you are definitely right,I posted Warmack and Eifert,I put it out there for all to see,of course no one knew Dolphins would trade up for your guy Dion Jordan,a guy people had slotted for jets,that led to a chain reaction which dropped Milliner,the best corner in draft,probably rated higher then my guard Warmack,got me so far.As for Eifert,yes I would have preferred him but Jets didn’t see it that way,that being said,Ertz,Escobar,Kelce are still there,any other questions,I am here..

  65. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe,when bringing up Richardson,you ask ‘WHY’ I say ‘WHY NOT’,you don’t reach for players not rated as high.I guess you would have traded three picks for Patterson like the Vikings did.In this great draft for offensive players give me a guy besides Eifert YOU WANTED.

  66. By don on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    WE HAVE 6 PICKS LEFT I AGREE WITH IRA THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS OUR NEXT 6 PICKS 5 ON OFFENSE & 1 ON DEFENCE OG. TE, WR, QB RB & SAFETY ON DEFENCE . I HEARD THAT THE JETS AREN”T TO HIGH ON EITHER RB LACEY OR BALL BUT I HEARD THAT THEY MAY TRADE ONE OF THERE PICKS TO NEW ORLEANS FOR THERE RB IVORY I KNOW THAT THE JETS LIKE RYAN NASIB & GINO SMITH BUT IF REX ONLY HAS 16 GAMES LEFT & DOESN”T GET A CONTRACT EXTENSION THEN I DON”T SEE THE JETS TAKING A QB IN THIS DRAFT & LET WHOEVER THE NEXT HEADCOACH OF THE JETS BRING IN HIS OWN QB & NOT ALREADY HAVE ONE IN PLACE FOR HIM . P/S PLEASE COMMENT !!

  67. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64. I’m not being doom and gloom, thing is I’ve heard you, lambast scjoe. spicer. your venom spewed towards Rex. you constantly insisted , We are wrong and your predictions are the way and being enacted by who YOU believe is the man to save this team, Thing is majority of Fans are more in agreement with scjoe spicer myself,about the picks anyway.. even Ira sounds disappointed and that take’s a lot ,So my point is .your constant boosting at the expense of many good fans here and in my opinion our Coach, Then insisting picking only offense or best player available, Now you’re back peddling 100 miles an hour trying to convince most fans, why these picks are good for the team, All while your many posts have read quite the opposite..

  68. By joeydefiant on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I see the clueless haven’t gotten a clue yet here. Getting 2 out of your top 4 rated players when you pick 9th and 13th is phenomenal. Richardson is going to be used like the way the Texans use JJ Watt. Technically they run a 3-4 but Wade Phillips runs a lot of 5 man fronts using 4 D-Lineman and 1 LB. Expect pressure up all the gaps and with at least three of them needing to be double teamed it is going to cause chaos and the QB will not be able to step up into the pocket. JJ Watt had how many sacks and he is a 3-4 D-Lineman?? We addressed the sack issue with Richardson. Not to mention he is so fast he has played standing up as well. Kind of like how the giants will use a lineman as a standup LB in pass rushing situations.

  69. By joeydefiant on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Ho many DT’s can run a 4.7 40 yard dash? The guy is a freak that you can’t find in every draft. 300 pound man running a 4.7. He’s faster than every linebacker we currently have not named ricky sapp probably.

  70. By Stevesc on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    According to Idzik, they got two of the top four player’s on their draft board, which means that they took what they thought were the two best player’s available. I don’t have a problem with Milliner, who one talking head said was the best defensive player in the draft. I was, like a lot of you puzzled by Richardson. I can only think that they are going to use more 4-3 this year. Coples, Wilkerson, Richardson and Ellis would make a pretty formidable d-line, so I don’t have a problem with either pick. Maybe the two of the four they didn’t get was one of the pass rushing lb’s everyone was clamoring for. Anyway, my o-line, te picks were way off ( what do I know). I would still like to see both addressed tonight in the next rounds. IMHO.

  71. By Stevesc on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I can see the frustration and bickering happening on this blog… In the end we are all Jet fans. Let’s, as someone mentioned, be positive about what’s happening, instead of being pessimistic all the time. Take a cue from Ira, who is eternally optimistic. And, as the late Rodney King, one of the great philosophers of out time said, “can’t we all get along”.

  72. By MIKE on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Even though the first round was disappointing, if the Jets can somehow get a TE, QB and pass rusher soon that would ease my pain.

    But since the Jets seem to be going D this draft, why not keep it going with DE/OLB Damontre Moore with a 2nd rounder.

    Use the 3rd on Mike Glennon.

    The only way the Jets can make up for there questionable first round is by grouping there 4th, 5th and 6th to get another 2nd or 3rd rounder.

    The Jets need starters and still have gaping holes at QB, TE, G and OLB.

  73. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    CaryC . I have a question for you, since you and Tom64 are in agreement on almost every subject Jets related. Nothing wrong with that, you write how he hit it on the head picking a Player from SEC round 1, Stating it’s about time and I’m guessing actually pretty sure it’s because you both believe Idzik is involved in the pick, so my question to you is this, why with only 4 picks later Jets didn’t take player from another SEC school or the equivalent. there were so many ready and available @13 don’t you think? I mean doesn’t that make sense, if what you’re saying is correct.. Oh the Hypocrisy

  74. By MIKE on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Gary C makes an excellent point about the Giants. If your at 13 and all the best outside rushers are taken, the playmakers may have been a reach at this pick, J Jones has health issues, and maybe the organization believes you shouldn’t use a 1st rounder on a Guard, than maybe Richardson doesn’t look so bad.

    Rex did say he wanted to use Coples outside more next season, maybe not as a 3-4 OLB but as a 4-3 DE on 2nd and 3rd down.

    The Giants have recycled pass rushers for a decade and they are well known as the best pass rush team in the NFL and have 2 rings to show for it.

    Coples and Barnes or Pace at DE, Mo and Richardson at DT. Seem like a pretty decent front 4.

  75. By kw65fan on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    If we were “ReBuilding”…the number one priority would have been grabbing Warmack at 9 for the offensive line. A position where he would be solid and be with us for next 8 – 10 years. If we were re-building, we would have taken Jones at 13 or the TE. Our urgency was not on defense but on Offense. So much for RE-Building. Oh yea, draft is so deep. Well I’ll just put on my weighters (for you non outdoors people use for fishing in a stream) and listen and read mjore of the bull.

  76. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Dee Milliner and Sheldon Richardson,stick a Seattle uniform on them and they almost are clones of Richard Sherman and Brandon Mebane.sounds to me Idzik had final say on this.

  77. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    cont. my contention on the Revis trade is this , I would rather have traded Tampa’s 2,3,and 4 pick (knowing today) what I didn’t Thurs. Giving us 3 picks to build and maybe find a diamond in the ruff Leaving them a 1st 5th 6th 7th,meaning if they didn’t trade any other away, makes more sense with all our needs. if picking a DE from Mizzu was a priority. Again I know it makes to much sense taking a common sense approach,You do know fans are reading what you guys write one day from the next RIGHT?.. Next point,I understand Revis deal Financially, try explaining your because Revis was coming off injury it’s a good move., Hello, Milliner is also coming off injury and hasn’t played a down. So explain how this is good for us.

  78. By DKM on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Mike jet vet you cant be real in what you posting here they took the worst out of the nine best you kidding making a statement like this the last time i checked its 225 players better then the rest.
    Idzik is doing finally the right thing here going for the best available and you trashing him for it that make no sense,
    I happen to like both picks we needed to replace Revis and picking a 4-3 guy in this day and age where most teams prefeer to play a HYBRID D it was the best thing to do. Both players where ranked higher then most of the picks selected in front of them.

  79. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I am just going to assume that the Jets are going to be 100% 4-3 D next year. This way I feel better about these picks. This site lists Kenrick Ellis at 346, Wilkerson at 315, Richardson at 294 & Colples at 290. Based of that & the fact that Richardson seems really fast for a guy that big I guess we will look as follows. DT’S Ellis & Wilkerson, DE’S Coples & Richardson, Middle Linebacker Dave Harris, Weak Side OLB Demario Davis & the Strong Side Linebacker Pace. Corners Cromartie & Milliner / Wilson, Safteys Dawan Landry & ?. So the D is set except for 1 Saftey spot.

  80. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    In the next few rounds if the Jets take any other position on the defensive side of the ball besides maybe a Saftey I am going to throw my TV out the window. We need a Guard, WR, TE, RB & QB!

  81. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Targets for the Jets in the next 2 days. Saftey John Cyprien Florida International, TJ Mcdonald USC, Bacarri Rambo Georgia, DJ Swearinger South Carolina, Shamarko Thomas Cuse, Josh Evans Florida & Ray Armstrong Miami. Guards Barrett Jones BAMA & Larry Warford. Tight Ends Zac Ertz Stanford, Dion Sims Michigan State, Jordan Reed Florida, Gavin Escobar San Diego State & Travis Kelce Cinncinnati. Wide Outs Keenan Allen Cal, Justin hunter Tennessee, Quiton Patton Louisana Tech, Chris Harper Kent State, Robert Woods USC, Stedman Bailey West Virginia, Ace Sanders South Carolina & Kenny Stills Oklahoma.

  82. By DKM on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I cant understand Ronbo, Mike vet, Karan, you cant be advocating change and then trash the new GM by doing things different. Make up your mind cant have it both ways and anyway all three of you not being happy after the first round makes me think we on the right track other wise it would be the same old Jets

  83. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    The RB’S are Giovani Bernard Tar Heels, Eddie Lacy BAMA, Marcus Lattimore South Carolina, Montee Ball Wisconsin, Jawan Jamison Rutgers, Stepfan Taylor Stanford & John Franklin UCLA. Last but not least the QB’S Geno Smith, Mike Glennon, Ryan Nassib, Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson, Landry Jones & Tyler Bray should all be in play over the next 2 days. We need another QB on the roster to push or take Sanchez job!

  84. By Another Tom on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    My picks would have been Warmack and Eifert…But I guess you can never have enough CB s and DL…afterall, Rex schemes to win games 6-3. Did We re -sign Brandon Moore yet? The big question ? Will Milliner wear # 24???

  85. By Karan on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t understand this front office. They are so infuriating. First, they pass on Warmack at 9. I like Milliner but he could have been chosen at 13, if not, then get the next best player! But nooo, and now reports surface they are looking to trade up to obtain Geno Smith. The kid is full of himself and is not what we need. Draft Ertz is at 39, draft an O-lineman, draft a S at 39 but why go out of your way for a potential bust??? Idzik iz overrated thus far, I don’t understand. From what it seems like guys, Geno Smith will be a NYJ by the end of today. I’m hoping and praying someone drafts him before us. I hate saying this, but for now I’m saying this ‘Same Old Jets’, please prove me wrong and for just avoid Smith.

  86. By Karan on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    64, even you won’t defend Idzik after tonight. Watch him completely screw this up and draft the overrated conceited Geno Smith. If he’s drafted, I hope the rest of the QBs on our roster run him outta town.

  87. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Jets LT D’Brickashaw Ferguson restructured his contract, freeing up $5.128 million in cap space.
    Ferguson, 29, was due a base salary of $7.25 million in 2013 but he agreed to slash it to $840,000, turning the remaining $6.41 million into a “signing” bonus that can be prorated over the last five years of his contract. It’s the second offseason in a row that Ferguson has restructured for the Jets. Ferguson graded out as Pro Football Focus’ No. 6 left tackle last season, and he hasn’t missed a game in his seven seasons

  88. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64 & Gary C, Your Geno Smith comments are classless. I wanted the Jets to take the best player available at 1 of the following spots Guard, Saftey, WR, TE, RB OR QB. But now part of me wants the Jets to take Geno Smith just so you guys have to root for him. Also it would be great to see Tom 64 flip flop like a politician like he always does LOL!

  89. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    This is Ira disappointed, MJV?: “Can’t knock the picks because this team needs everything so a CB and DL fills needs and they were both listed as top 15 picks. I still would have liked to see a OG or pass rusher but Idzik is right you have to stick to your board.” This is a fan agreeing with you?: “Mike jet vet you cant be real in what you posting here they took the worst out of the 9 best you kidding making a statement like this the last time i checked its 225 players better then the rest.” Or this?: “I see the clueless haven’t gotten a clue yet here. Getting 2 out of your top 4 rated players when you pick 9th and 13th is phenomenal.” Take it up with these guys instead of acting like I’m the only guy on this site who gets what you don’t.

  90. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    64, it absolutely astonishes me how you did a complete 180 on your philosophy re: what it takes to win a championship. For the past few months, right up until Idzik selected 2 (TWO) defensive players in the 1st round, it was ALWAYS about the QB and scoring points that win championships with you. It was constantly your opinion that if you can’t score points you can’t win. I remember those words distinctly. Did I misinterpret something? But NOW, that there were 2 defensive players taken early your “theme” has changed to “look at the NYG” “look at their D” Well, while YOU are looking at their D, take a close look at their O! While doing that take a close look at the NYJ O! C’mon man!

  91. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    …and if we were rebuilding in 1 yr, kw65, we woulda made fools of ourselves. Contrary to what the ADD crowd thinks, a team that needs at least 12 starters can’t rebuild in 1 yr via the draft, FA’s, and divine intervention put together. So what will you say today if the Jets trade up to pick Smith, as is being reported? That we’re rebuilding too fast? Or if we don’t take him, that we’re rebuilding too slow? No, you and scjoe will do what he’s leading the league at doing, sitting at the laptop and saying, “Wow, I really blew it by acting like all the overpaid, overrated, over-the-hill, never-got-up-the-hill guys Idzik let go were all so great. Now that it’s obvious we’re rebuilding for real over several yrs, what do I do to save face?”

  92. By GreenfiendNYJ on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    i really think people need to calm down in freaking out about this “switch to a 4-3″. i remember an interview where Rex said that its a common misconception that we run a 3-4, we often attack out of the 3-4 but our actual defense is a multiple/hybrid style d.this means you need strong versatile players across the board which is the definition of the recent 1st round d-lineman we’ve taken. I for one am optomistic to see what Rex does with that many large dominant athletes on the d-line (wilkerson and coples are both “grown men” and Ellis while not football related pummeled a bat wielding attacker to the point it warrented consideration as assault! which in my possibly warped opinion is at least worthy of side note. all together, (continued)

  93. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 124, that lineup is exactly the D Arte and I said yesterday after the Richardson pick, only we said they’ll give Bush and Allen a chance to win the other S job. So there’s not a lot more need to pick on D though I expect to see a S and an OLB. Which means we can pick QB, TE, WR, and OL in any order we want at 2,3,4,5. It was always a long-shot that we’d take a QB at 1 this yr. It’s always iffy picking WR and TE high if you’re iffy at QB, and this team has no business picking either of those positions at 1 given how much else we need. So WHAT in the world are all these Same Old Jet Fans, as DKM calls them, whining about? Karan, I don’t like Geno that much but I’ve learned never to overreact negatively on Draft Day. You should try it.

  94. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    What’s classless, Tom 124, is going to NYC for the draft and then taking your toys and going home when you’re not picked when you wanna be. I’ll say this for Tebow, he woulda sat there until he was picked in the last round if necessary. But again, simple minds see only simple solutions. If Idzik, Rex, and all the scouts are ready to pick Smith today — not yesterday — they must see something I don’t. I said the same thing about Sanchez but I shoulda been more guarded since I’d seen him play more and he’d played less than Smith. Anyway, I’m the guy who’s been saying don’t be surprised if we pick a QB lower this yr and higher next yr. And Parcells is the guy who said you should try to pick a QB EVERY yr, so go take it up with him.

  95. By GreenfiendNYJ on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    thats a lot of size and physicality) and his back to the wall. I still think we have the opportunity to get a quality edge rusher with the number 2 pick before turning our attention to getting some value players at the skill positions. Since we could use talent across the board we should just take the highest offensive player on our board from round 3 on down which i trust Idzy will do judging by his resilience to yield to fan pressure last night in the first round and reach for a player they didnt have rated as highly. We do have a lot of holes on offense but i dont want us to fill them with players who arent worth their contract. As a JETS fan that has been around for some bumps and lumps id much rather us build for long term success than to swing for the fences every season and strike out!

  96. By Frank on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    What a joke…honestly. Richardson? I can’t stop laughing. He has a bigger mouth than Rex and serious character issues so much for the culture change. Although I am not crazy about the Milliner pick I understand it. Richardson????? They should have taken Vaccaro or Jones. Richardson is going to be a bust mark my words. By far the worst pick of the first round.
    But Rex needs a buddy for ice cream Thursday’s!
    This is surreal. Rex opens his big mouth and tells Austin we have a plan for you…opening the door for the Rams to jump ahead of the Jets and snag him. A playmaker we could have used. Now they are talking about trading up fpor Smith. They do that and they are officially the laughingstock of the NFL.

  97. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC & 64, mostly 64, a simple logical question for you, but it may take some soul searching and quite a bit of honesty which I am not sure either of you are willing to submit to, but here it is anyway. If there had been no change at the GM position and Mike T had made the exact same selections as Idzik had, what would your reactions have been then? Factor in the point that both of you clamored for offense, GaryC with his OG and TE and 64 who criticized and lambasted this pathetic Jet offense for months, right up until the day of the draft, which by the way 64, I totally agreed with. So? When did things dramatically change for you?

  98. By joeyjets12fla on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    just a little humor. geno smith doesn’t get taken in the second round after that, who cares, as long as the jets don’t take him. but seriously, grab ertz. anyone think that a trade for ivory is going to happen either in the draft or after?

  99. By GreenfiendNYJ on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    As far as people saying we should have traded down, that would be a worthy strategy provided your potential trade partners are offering sufficient value considering the players available on the board. If they are not, then add depth by taking the best player available and don’t look back!

  100. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, wrong! I would not have traded 3 picks for ANYONE in this draft, especially not a WR, so where did that come from? As for the “Why Not” re: Richardson? Not because anything he has done or hasn’t done at the college level, simply because he (that particular position) was way down on the long list of needs for this team. Isn’t that enough? Do you actually disagree with that notion, or do you just disagree with me?

  101. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    MJV,my point about the Sec was the the jets have had a lack of Sec guys on the roster,I didn’t say every guy on the roster now should be from the SEC,it is just a fact that the conference has won the national championship six years in a row,proof is in the pudding,I am sure if the jets draft board called for another SEC player they would have selected him.

  102. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Tom Spicer,we are all in for the jets to succeed,what me and Tom64 said about Geno Smith is a heckuva lot less then some of the scribes are saying,Maybe the jets will draft him,I don’t know,at this point others would be my choice.

  103. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Regardless of what a select “few” say, Idzik has not impressed “so far” not in free agency and not in the 1st round of the draft, still a long way to go though, I get that. That being said, the absolute worse thing he can do now is to “trade UP” and select Geno Smith. I watched how he pouted leading up to the draft because of what the writers had to say about him, I watched him storm out of the room last night because he wasn’t selected in the 1st round. Imagine what he would do when more the 80,000 at Met Life boo him for throwing INTs early on? Please, say NO to GeNO. #39 has to be either Ertz (TE) Cyprien (S) Hunter (WR) OR Nassib (QB)

  104. By GaryC on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Mjv,I almost forgot,Missouri is now in the SEC,so the jets drafted two guys from the conference.

  105. By Karan on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Don’t get me wrong guys, I’ll admit I got somewhat hot tempered that we didn’t draft a Warmack or an O player in the first round. I still approve of Idzik, didn’t mean to trash him but hearing about a possibility of Geno being a Jet really made me mad. Shouldn’t believe every report thats out there. I think Milliner and Richardson are really good talents but I just think more of a focus should have been on O last night. Hope we get Ertz tonight and no Smith. Saw clips of Richardson, guy is fast for a DT.

  106. By Frank Verde on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Some of the GM apprentices on this site should take a page out of Revis’s playbook and withhold your services while you wait for a pay raise. Just kidding—you guys are a blast. What a surprise: Idzik trades Revis, let’s Landry, Bell, and 2 veteran DTs walk and drafts a CB and DT/DE with the first picks.

    ’64 Tom, you’re a smart guy, but I didn’t realize you also had a self-deprecating sense of humor. Real Cool Head indeed (e.g. TM; Rex; Revis; LBs)! So, what if there are darker implications to the 1st 2 picks? Idzik realized he needed to make nice with Rex for wrecking his secondary and DL (and so he starts rebuilding them on the cheap). One could almost infer that maybe Rex is sticking around past next year.

  107. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    By the way, Spice, I see you’re using a new name and I’m referring to you by it so as to encourage similarly new thinking. But so far you’re still doing a lot of complaining without much rhyme or reason, as klecko pointed out about you a few days ago. And if you get around to explaining why you’re so high on picking a WR or TE high up when we don’t know who our QB is and the WR field is weak this yr, I’m all ears. But don’t worry, you’ll have plenty of time to complain as we rebuid smartly over the next 2 yrs, maybe with more than one pick at QB. I’ll agree with you on “Mark” has to go, of course, but I’m in no hurry to replace him with the wrong guy, especially given what’s in the draft at QB next yr. Okay, back to the draft any minute…

  108. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Just seconds before the first pick of the day, Kimberly Jones on ESPN just said the Jets have told her they’re not interested in a QB on Day 2.

  109. By Tom Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    GENO SMITH LOL LOL LOL! I love it spin this 1 Tom 64 it is FLIP FLOP TIME LOL!

  110. By joeyjets12fla on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    46 years and 1 super bowl and now this its been a rough ride. but, i’m done. good bye everyone.

  111. By Tom Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Tom 64, NOW YOU CAN SAY WE ARE RE BUILDING! WHEN YOU TAKE A NEW QB YOU ARE RE BUILDING!

  112. By Karan on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Aahh, well this stinks. Looks like Mark Sanchez is done in this town. Horrible pick by the Jets, Geno Smith. Should have taken Barrett Jones.

  113. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    It’s STILL about the QB and scoring pts, scjoe, that’s why we just drafted Geno! And you know what? If he doesn’t show enough by next yr, we’ll pick ANOTHER QB! I think maybe the problem you, MJV, Spicer and some other fans are having is that you still expect this edition of the Jets to move in the Same Old ways. That and you don’t seem to know what my first-ever serious boss told me: “There is no such thing as a corporate heart.” When I posted about Kimberly Jones, I was gonna add, “But are they telling the truth or just pulling the sorority girl’s leg?” but I thought no, that won’t sound nice. Turns out whoever spoke to her did it with forked tongue. All I know is…”MARK” IS NOT NECESSARILY THE STARTER ANY MORE!

  114. By Tom Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I love it Idzik is the man I am now offically on the band wagon. If you would have told me that by round 2 we would have the #1 QB prospect, the #1 corner prospect & than #1 DT prospect I would have told you that you were 100% NUTS! IDZIK IDZIK IDZIK!

  115. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks, Frank Verde, 40+ yrs of rooting for the Jets teaches nothing if not humor and humility. That’s what I meant about you and the SEC, GaryC, you’ve been rightly on the Jets for yrs for neglecting that conference. My early take on Geno: Lots of negatives and the one that worries me the most is not playing well in cold weather. More than a few positives including TD-INT ratio. Best news of all: There is NO WAY “Mark” just gets handed the starting job for even one more game. If Rex had anything to do with the Geno pick, I salute him for finally giving up the pipe dream that “Mark” is elite, needs 6 yrs, etc. 39 is not such a high pick that we can’t pick another QB #1 next yr if need be. Geno vs. Bridgewater with Garrard #3 next yr?

  116. By since shea on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Geno Smith is Idziks legacy now, I dont think its the right pick. We could have had one of the TE’s AND Eddie Lacey, Instead we have another DT (three years in a row and probably the only position we didnt need anybody for). Geno doesnt have offensive talent here. And whats the deal with the stories about his behavior at not being chosen in the first round? Is he more emotional than MS? What will Geno do without the all star O Line that he had? Just when you thought we were being low key and under the radar, Let the QB/Media circus begin!!!!!

  117. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I reprint this from my own post earlier today as a public service for Jet-hating Jet fans: “So what will you say today if the Jets trade up to pick Smith, as is being reported? That we’re rebuilding too fast? Or if we don’t take him, that we’re rebuilding too slow? No, you and scjoe will do what he’s leading the league at doing, sitting at the laptop and saying, “Wow, I really blew it by acting like all the overpaid, overrated, over-the-hill, never-got-up-the-hill guys Idzik let go were all so great. Now that it’s obvious we’re rebuilding for real over several yrs, what do I do to save face?” I’m hardly entirely sold on Smith, but ANYTHING THAT GETS “MARK” OFF THIS TEAM CAN’T BE ALL BAD! And in fact, it might even turn out to be good…

  118. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I’ll also remind you guys with limited memories and great impatience for an elite QB, which is never an easy thing to find, of the new model for teams that are truly serious about getting it right at the QB position: CAR picking Clausen, York, and Edwards one yr, then turning around the very next yr and picking Newton. (And GaryC STILL doesn’t think they’ve got it right…)

  119. By SCfromNY on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I have said i was not fond of the first round pick. They are not bad picks but with a deep draft I think there were more important positions to address. Maybe the Jets are going to try and be the NY Giants with an awesome front and average secondary. The Giants won 2 SBs with that. BUT WAIT they also had Eli Manning.

    I hate the pick of Smith especially because he appears very immature like Sanchez. I liked 3 QBs better than him. I think we can release 2 of our QBs. I want to see Sanchez and Smith pouting and eating hot dogs on the sideline while McElroy puts up the points.

  120. By Tom Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Jets selected West Virginia QB Geno Smith with the No. 39 overall pick.
    Smith (6’3, 220) was a three-year starter who set career highs in completion rate (71.2), TD:INT ratio (44:6) and passer rating (163.9) last season. He took only 19 sacks in 13 games, while his 44 TDs led the nation. It’s a new era for the Jets, who have come away with three very good players with their first three picks.

  121. By since shea on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Do they actually think Geno Smith is so good that they can afford to either pay Sanchez his 8 plus million guarantee to hold the clipboard OR eat 12 million on the CAP (about ten percent of the entire CAP) by releasing him by June 1???? What can Geno do with minimal offensive talent that Mark cannot? What will Geno do without his all star offensive line protecting him? Without Lacey running behind that line? Just when you thought we were showing some class by staying low key and under the radar, here we go and fuel the circus media with a fifth QB? Idzik, your legacy has begun. What makes you think Geno is the second coming of Russell Wilson? Should have gotten TE and RB instead of Geno and another RT.

  122. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    If you need evidence of how much of a joke the Jets have become since Rex arrived and started shooting off his mouth, they draft Sanchez in 2009 and it’s a love fest on TV. They draft Smith now and the NFL shows all bad clips of him — TOTALLY unprecedented! That said, Rex admitting that he and “Mark” aren’t gonna be here for 10 more yrs — MS maybe not for 10 more wks — if something doesn’t change on O is progress of a kind. I have many questions about Smith but none at all about MS, he’s history. And like I say, teams that need a QB need not to extend the bad ones (Jets) or overpay the medicore ones (Cowboys) but get real about finding the elite one. On that level, I can’t overly criticize the Geno pick, and we still have all our picks.

  123. By since shea on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry folks but its hard to continue to support a team that seems to be a rudderless ship. Does anyone get this? What direction are we going in? We didnt give sanchez offensive support. Not even Brady could have done well on the jets. Now we just change QB’s and expect different results with the same supporting cast? I am just about at the end of my rope with this team. Section 120 Row 20. If you want my seats, take them. I saved you the ridiculous psl.

  124. By Tom Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    So the Jets have there other Guard Brain Winters I hear is a mauler.

  125. By Tom Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    So now we are down to a TE, WR, RB & a Saftey. I would draft a TE in the 4th round. Trade the 5th round pick to the Saints for Chris Ivory RB. Sign Braylon to a 1 year deal & then take a Saftey in the 6th & the 7th. Hopefully between the to from last year & the 2 from this year 1 of the 4 young bucks steps up. Then we can compete THIS YEAR!

  126. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    since shea, I’m not the biggest Geno fan but you better read up on him, there’s only about 20 posts on the other sites from folks down West Virginia way saying it’s a miracle he got anything done with his weak OL. Another thing is that Geno is a 3-yr starter and “Mark” was a barely 1-yr starter. Spicer, I AM HAPPY TO WELCOME SMITH TO THE JETS IF IT MEANS NO MORE “MARK”! THAT ALONE is a huge victory! For Jet vets like me, this will literallly be the most exciting QB battle since Namath/Huarte/Taliaferro though like in that yr from ancient history, I’m pretty sure I know who’ll win out between Geno, MS, and McElroy. MJV, looks most of the sportswriters not only like the Geno pick but expect him to start over MS and maybe even get MS cut.

  127. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    It’s not about “giving Sanchez offensive support,” since shea, it’s about giving up on him in favor of a new O. After 2 blockbuster picks on D, 3 picks in a row on O if you count this story I see coming in posts about trading our #4 for Ivory. Ivory, Goodson, McKnight, and Powell fighting it out for snaps is the best, youngest, and easily fastest RB group we’ve had in decades. And we still have 3 picks to go after WR, TE, S, and maybe another OL guy or a OLB. SCfromNY, why do you think “maybe” we’re going for sacks from the DL like the Giants have done — you think “maybe” we’re tired of swatting their SB banners out of our faces on the way out of the tunnel? And cheer up, the 2013 roster isn’t gonna look ANYTHIING like last yr’s!

  128. By Tom Spicer on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    I just read the Jets traded a 4th round pick to the Saints for RB Chris Ivory. Mike Mayock said it was a good trade for us & that you are not getting a RB better than him in the 4th round. He went on to say he is a very hard runner.

  129. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    64, you DARE to call ANYONE a “Jet Hating – Jet Fan?” YOU, the guy who criticized and complained and hated on the current HC, the current QB, the former GM, the 2 former OCs, a former CB (who happened to be among the leagues best) as much, or more then anyone on this site, yes, including yours truly, but I wouldn‘t dream of calling anyone that, especially anyone here. Are you serious? Or is this just a smoke screen to enable YOU to “save face?” Newsflash! It is not working. As Spicer so eloquently put it, you flip flop as good as any of our illustrious politicians ever have.

  130. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    Football is the game from which “Funny how the ball bounces” came and you can see that going on now. After unexpectedly getting Geno, I think the Jets decided THIS time they didn’t want their new QB to have to learn too much at once. To have to teach another Hill how to catch or another Greene or McKnight how not to fumble. So with Goodson, Ivory, and maybe a cheap vet FA or TE after the draft and a pick at only 1 of those spots, they’re setting up a comfort zone for Gene. In this context, scjoe, a few FA’s who are NOT pricey are fine. More guys like Holmes who walk out of meetings, gripe in huddles, and make it even harder for a young QB are not. Might be good news for fans of Edwards, who’s not the future but could play a role in 2013.

  131. By scjoe on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    My official take on first 3 rounds of the draft. 1- Millner, at least it filled a major need, maybe not thee most important need, but a need. Whether he wins the starting job remains to be determined. 1A-Richardson, filled no apparent need, none what so ever! That is not a knock on the player, just the pick. 2- Smith, IMO he wont work out in NY, that was obvious by his reaction to writers pokes, and his being snubbed in the 1st round of he draft, plus his inconsistency playing in cold weather. 3-Winters, A+ pick. Big, strong, good character, versatile, can play T or G, and a team captain. Hope the next 4 are somewhat similar to him.

  132. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    DKM. so your in favor of drafting a CB @ 9 who already had multiple shoulder surgery’s . he hasn’t even taken a snap in the NFL. these bigger stronger faster NFL players are going to slice and dice him like a cooked ham. if he can’t with stand the hits from college kids..You’re kidding right A 9 and 13 you pick injury prone player. DE- 3 years in a row, with all our needs What planet are you living on?

  133. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 26, 2013 | Reply

    From a surprisingly good piece by Walker on ESPN: “What is the point in the Jets going another year with embattled quarterback Mark Sanchez? He represents New York’s ugly past and is on borrowed time. The only reason he’s on the roster in the first place is his guaranteed $8.25 million salary this season. New York should make Sanchez an expensive backup and keep it moving. Releasing Sanchez is another option, although chances are slim because it would cost the Jets a $12.35 million cap hit this year and a $4.8 million cap hit next year.” See, Spice, I’m ready to roll with the punches. It couldn’t have gotten much worse with “Mark the starter”!

  134. By joeydefiant on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    QB – SMITH, SANCHEZ, GARRARD
    RB – Ivory, Goodson
    WR – Holmes, Hill, Kerley
    OL – Ferguson, Hunter Colon, Ducasse, Mangold
    TE- CUMBERLAND, SMITH

    DL – MO, COPLES, RICHARDSON, ELLIS, GARAY
    LB – HARRIS, DAVIS, BARNES, MCINTYRE,
    CB- CROMARTIE, WILSON, MILLINER
    S- LANDRY, BUSH, ALLEN

    Just need a TE, FS, and maybe another OLB and we are set. Great team put together quick. Ferocious D-Line thats going to get at least 30 sacks on its own this year.
    Dump the baggage like McElroy (I heard he hid in his locker when Garay walked in.) and Tebow and we are ready to go. 7-10 wins this year with a wildcard spot easy…

  135. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    As a guy who preferred Manuel to Geno and was very unimpressed with Geno’s behavior on Day 1, here’s what I think at the end of Day 2: Geno seems to have strengths and weaknesses across the board. But his strengths — arm, accuracy, physicality, ability to run — seem to match right up with Sanchez’s weaknesses. But as much as I’d like to see MS gone by 6/2, it’s not really about Geno vs “Mark” for me, it’s about this: TB took Glennon, allegedly to “push” Freeman. That is EXACTLY what I thought we might do at QB this yr: Pick an okay guy low, pretend he’s competition for MS, but basically still hand MS the job until he messed up so bad that Garrard had to come in. I didn’t expect really expect Idzik, much less Rex, to shake it up (cont.)…

  136. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    (cont.)…as much as this, now that the story comes out they were thinking of trading up to 13 to get Geno. And for a new GM working with somebody else’s scouting dept to get the 3 guys we did by pick 39 is one hell of a feat. I’d also pt out that it was the #13 pick for Revis that made it possible to get all 3 guys. If we’d only had our 9 and 39, taking only 1 player before drafting a new QB woulda been a lot tougher to do. How does that Revis trade look to you now, Spice, given that it enabled us to get your boy Geno at 39? Anybody who tries to tell me that we’d have been better off sticking with Mr T or merely picking OL guys and O weapons for “Mark” when we can still pick a QB in 2014 if Geno himself needs a push…well, I don’t buy it.

  137. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Hot off the presses, Idzik just traded our 5th 6th and 7th pick for Sandcastle

  138. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    JET FAN TOM, the JETS have been a joke for several years. Milner and Richardson were good choices and as for BRIAN WINTERS good stats in fact very good stats. I agree we should have taken Eddie Lacey over Geno Smith but adding to the QB circus knowing we have MS, DG, GM, TT, and Matt Simms and now Geno Smith is going to be interesting and laughable. I do not believe TT or MS will be here in June. There is “NO” question Geno Smith has talent. We have picks in rounds, 5, 6 and 7 and I am hoping we fill the needs of the offense with the rest of the draft we sure do not need any more defensive players. There are still some excellent players left such as Mychal Rivera – TE – Tennessee, Terron Armstead – OT – Arkansas Pine-Bluff,,

  139. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    (CONTINUED) Ray Graham – RB – Pittsburgh, Ricky Wagner – OT – Wisconsin, Oscar Johnson – OT – Louisiana Tech, Jawan Jamison – RB – Rutgers and Chris Hubbard – OT – UAB if you check these draftee’s stats very good players and can actually start filling the needs of the offense….

  140. By IRA on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Never thought Mark would be back I wish him luck and hope he gets his career back on track.
    Simms changed my thoughts on Geno and I was all aboard yesterday as the reports were going around. Love the move and can’t wait to watch him develop into a good QB.
    Winters was a solid pick and I was surprised they gave a 4th for Ivory but they got themselves a quality number one RB.
    Today safety, TE, WR, LB.
    GO JETS!!!!

  141. By jetpete on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    I for one am very happy with the picks. Idzik is meticulous and sees things most dont. This is a new dawn and beginning for the Jets. Lets go Jets!

  142. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Ryan Otten,Lucas Reed,Joseph Fauria,Christian’s son,Michael Williams.can we please draft a tightend before the draft is finished.

  143. By BleedGreen&White on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    HORRIBLE move to draft Smith. Not only is SinceShea 100% right, but Look at the “leadership” qualities Smith displayed leading up to the draft and in the green room. This guy WILL NOT be an asset for the Jets. I am completely disgusted with the way the Jets handled this pick, and coming off the heals of the Tebow debacle (who should NEVER have been brought here), it just shows that the ownership is focused way more on media coverage than in constructing a winning TEAM.

    At this point, I hope Sanchez lands somewhere else and comes back to burn us. I’m ashamed to be a Jets fan today

  144. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    the minute the rams drafted Stedman Bailey,I thought about the Jets calling the rams,seeing they had Austin,and trading Geno for Bradford,well,I can hope.

  145. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Hope Geno doesn’t have Ryan Leaf syndrome,where any critique by a sportswriter and he will be blowing his top.

  146. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Randy or Eric,do you know if the jets with the trading for Ivory are going to use Mcknight more as a slot guy with Kerley.

  147. By Randy Lange on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, neither John Idzik nor Rex Ryan was asked last night about McKnight’s role. The slot idea is a promising one, of course. I’ll ask EA what he’s heard and we’ll see what we can find out over the coming weeks about what OC Marty Mornhinweg and the offensive coaches have in mind for him.

  148. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,funny you bring up Mr.Newton,and I don’t mean Issac,when you saw Geno pouting the other night in the Green Room,did that bring to mind your guy when things aren’t going so well.

  149. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    I would like somebody to tell me what the rush was to bring in Geno this year when the draft for qbs next year is stronger,and if Sanchez is still here at start of year,you have a lame duck quarterback and coach,that is enticing to the ticketholders.I guess my guy McElroy will be gone soon also.I hope Gavin Escobar doesn’t prove out because he went after Geno and the jets need a tightend.

  150. By RONBO on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    TOM64, Sorry bro but no matter how you try to spinn this I for one am very disappointed with Idziks first draft.There were 3 teams with two picks in the first rd & we had the clear advantage as both of our picks at 9 & 13 were much earlier than St Louis Or Minn. Yet each of them pulled off substantially better drafts and improved themselves much more than we did! We basically wasted two picks on players that will likely not be factors this year.As good as Richardson may be (he needs to turn into the next Reggie White to justify this pick!) He is likely gonna be a situational player this year possibly rotating with Coples? There were too many other good players available at posisitions of need.As for Gino(Mr.Sencitivity)Smith
    did he sound-

  151. By RONBO on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    cont._ remotely equipped to deal with the N.Y media and fan base? If you listened to his post draft interview with Melissa Start he looked (& sounded) like a deere in the headlights? Granted at some point we will need a Q.B. but as we had apparently already reached a deal to trade out 4th pick to N.Orleans for Ivory & still had big time needs at G,S & OLB & already had 5 Q.B’s on the roster, were we really posisitioned to take a Q.B? look dude, I have been supportive with you in support of Idzik but to this point his unimaginative vanilla approach has impressed no one but you and Ira? Sorry dude but so far I am not impressed and do not see the great plan you speak of!

  152. By Frank on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    This franchise is officially back to the Leon Hess days of clueless and reckless drafting and team management. Its hilarious Smith is definitely the next Sanchez a guy who can’t throw the deep ball, thin skinned and needs to be coddled with zero leasdership qualities. Everyone knows this guy is not going to make it except of course the Jetsies.
    Ira there is no way you can ever make the comments about how “good” our personel department is because they absolutely blew it big time.

  153. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo,see,Arthur Brown went to the Ravens in the second round,and they know about linebackers.

  154. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    I like the Winters pick,with the tattoos and his aggressive style of play he reminds me of David Diehl of the Giants,hopefully he can be as successful.

  155. By RONBO on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    TOM64, first of all I never asked “where’s the run stuffer?”I simply referred to Richardson scouting report which says he is not that good vs. the run.The only way I see a sinigicant contribution from him is as a N.T as thats the only open spot. Guess what, N.T’s need to stop the run!As for Trufant,if you have seen as much college football game +all-star games,the combine,’path to the draft”stuff as I have you would know Trufant is fast,athletic &tenacious so be fooled by the Alabama hype machine.I believe Trufant is better suited to play in the slot where we have an opening!

  156. By MIKE on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer could be right on this one. I am not a fan of Geno, in fact I would’ve rather seen Nassib taken there or Bray or Glennon taken in the later rounds. But if you looked at most teams draft boards, Milliner, Richardson and Geno were all projected as top 15 picks. If you take the best player available then the Jets did the right thing.

    Geno, Garrard and Sanchez will all compete for the starter job and may the best m,an win.

    With Geno falling to the 2nd round, he will not be expected to play immediately.

    And I love picking up Ivory. Most underrated RB in the league.

  157. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Tom Spicer,Chris Harper,Kansas State,but I like him,I mentioned him some time back,he is a Anquan Boldin type,very physical,needed to block for Colin Klein quarterback draws,but a guy worth considering.

  158. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    TOM SPICER, I didn’t see a draft pick for us in the 4th round, I only seen the 5th, 6th and 7th round left for us. if the Jets could land either Ray Graham – RB or Jawan Jamison – RB – Rutgers they should grab one of them. As for a TE read the stats on this kid Mychal Rivera – TE – Tennessee in fact read the stats on all 3 of these draft picks. If we can not grab Graham or Jaminson then by all means grab Chris Ivory RB any of these RB’s would be a compliment for Goodsen. My belief is we need a TE, another OG and OT…

  159. By carl on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Hey draft class for Jets , Welcome! remember like the song goes if you can make here you can make anywhere! Geno this your time to shine ! Good luck!!! Hey John thanks for the roar of the crowd!!! It was great!!!! Hey rex now this your team make it happen !!!! GO JETS!!!!!

  160. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    64Frank, BUF gave Fitzpatrick a huge deal in the middle of the season and he hasn’t played a good series since. Then they picked up Tarvaris Jackson, one of the biggest busts at QB in the last decade. Then they made a deal for Kolb, who’s looming very high on the bust radar but weirdly said they weren’t designating him the starter. Now they’ve picked Manuel, who looks good but is said not to be as “NFL-ready” as Geno, which should relax a few fans around here. My question for you is, why doesn’t anybody call the Bills QB competition “a circus”? I’d advise you not to frame the argument in the terms used by the enemy, i.e. people who relish trashing the Jets no matter what they do. The reality is we need an elte QB and are trying to find one.

  161. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, the more you post, the less impressed I am by your analyses. First of all, hating moves made by a team doesn’t mean you hate the team. I don’t think Rex is a good HC, would rather Curtis Martin bought the Jets, and want the Jets to move back to NYC. But I can’t magically make all that happen and unlike joeyjets, I’m not gonna abandon the whole team over the state it’s currently in. I also think Sanchez will never start in this league again so picking Geno can’t possibly be a bad thing. He certainly has a lot of talents and experience that “Mark” will never have. Why would you predict A DAY AFTER WE PICK HIM that Geno “won’t work out in NY”? Sorry, dude, all you’re about is your ego and your need to be right. Me, I’ll wait and see.

  162. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, when we picked Sanchez we were told he was “ready for the big stage.” And indeed he was — his post-game demeanor is among the best I’ve ever seen for a young QB. Which is also to say I’ve never seen a terrible QB say “I have to play better” more skillfully and more often. Unfortunately, it turned out “Mark” was ready for almost nothing else. I couldn’t care less if Geno walks around wide-eyed over New York like the voice of the kid on Stevie Wonder’s “Living for the City,” “…skyscrapers an’ everythang!” Geno’s college career dwarfs MS’s and while none of that ensures NFL success, “Mark” could never have started at MetLife again as proven by his reception at last wk’s Knick game. And we got a ton of picks next yr if Geno bombs.

  163. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, I think what happens is Sanchez gets released — Cimini thinks as early as today. We all pretend to be experts on what the Jets should spend but we often forget “The Aftertaste Factor” — NOBODY, not Idzik, not the fans, not even Rex judging by the look he gave MS after the TEN game last yr — wants MS around. He’s like a presidential candidate who lost whom the party no longer mentions. What everyone wants, especially Idzik and Rex, is to be able to talk about where the team is going, not where it’s been. Geno and Garrard with McElroy still trying to prove he deserves a shot are the QBs that make the most sense. Ronbo, you need to watch Richardson’s tape, he’s 40 lbs lighter than a NT and plays like no DL guy we’ve had in decades.

  164. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, before yesterday’s picks, Woody said, with a simplicity that I admire after his nonsense last yr over Tebow, “We have to get younger and faster.” That’s what we’re doing. Mr T would never have done it. Sportswriters who told us that slow, overrated mediocrities like Keller, DeVito, and Pouha were “must-signs” for the Jets would never have encouraged it. In fact, it’s because those writers didn’t see any of this coming that they’re scrambling frantically to trash it. Anyone can see that in three months Idzik has established a mode of operation totally different from Mr T’s: Don’t talk, act, and ignore the naysayers. That approach is LONG overdue for the Jets and I’d be happy about that even if I disliked every guy he picked this yr.

  165. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    This post from a guy on ESPN today perfectly sums up my feelings about Cimini’s and other writers’ constant trashing of the Jets, about the media’s never-ending efforts to find controversy at Florham Park even when there is none, and it will clarify things for those who can’t grasp the simple, rightful effort of this franchise to find the right QB, without which no team should even bother suiting up: “The fan base IS laughing – at YOU, Cimini. Tebow will be cut after the draft. Sanchez will be a June 1 cap cut. Gerrard will mentor Smith. McElroy and Simms will battle for #3. Problem solved. Learn to see past today, Cimini.”

  166. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Just for the record, and for the overly left-brain folks on this site: I don’t like Cimini’s attitude and without naming any names, I know of some very established sportswriters who think it’s borderline unprofessional. He is, however, also a reporter who has sources — though he often seems late to the party and ends up cribbing from other people’s stories — so when he says the word is that Sanchez might be released today, that’s of no small interest to me. I don’t care when “Mark” goes as long as it’s soon but I can’t see any up side for Idzik, Rex, the Jets as a team, or even MS in sticking around next season. Let him make his own deal somewhere else this spring.

  167. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, what’s this “special group” jive? What’s the deal here, you didn’t get picked for dodgeball or something and you’re carrying a grudge 50 yrs later? Some of us just aren’t QUITE as depressed as you are about the state of this team — though I’ll admit, some days it’s hard to hold out hope — and you’re telling me that’s a BAD thing? At least now everyone admits we ARE rebuilding! Spicer thinks he’s getting my goat by teasing me that “rebuilding” includes Geno, but ya know what? — BRING IT ON! We’ve endured 2 solid yrs of Rex pretending Mark is a blue-chip QB, of Mr T raving about Schlauderaff, of Woody saying weird things. Idzik comes in, says little, and does a lot — and that’s a BAD thing? Ira, GO JETS is right!

  168. By Westcoast GangGreen on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Jet Nation.. Good draft so far. Smith didn’t do a thing wrong in the draft /green room. He’s human and left when the 29th pick was not him, and we know the last three teams weren’t going to pick a QB. A Rogers had the same exact look on his face a few yrs back. Smith showed some class coming back the next night after experiencing that humbling night of ESPN/ NFL network shoving their cameras in his face after every pick for to see. None of us would handled it any different. Now back to our Jets. This new regime got good players and neeeds. CB Milliner, DT Richardson very good need because iI think our Jets are moving to a 4 3 this season. They got a solid OL who can play RT or RG and is better than Ducasses. Via the trade recieved CONT.

  169. By Westcoast GangGreen on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    CONT>> solid RB in Ivory. Now with smith . Many of you guys posted MS was not ready cause he started just 12 games at USC. Now Geno has the college experience as a starter. Has better skills than MS had at this time coming in. GS protects the ball better than MS, stronger arm, taller more accurate arm and is faster more athletic than MS and a duel with his running abillity to create with his legs also. As we all know our Jets cant a QB turnning it over 26 times a season and remain the lowest rated passer season. Time to move on and remember our Jets are rebuilding, takes time! Not a bad start so far. Even Rex seems humble in thier presses to the media which is good. Just coach..

  170. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Not only that, Westcoast, it turns out that Geno went to see his mother, who was in New York, and apparently never said he wasn’t coming back for Day 2 of the draft — that was more fake controversy whipped up by the New York sportswriters! I shoulda known! And yeah, I think it’s pretty clear we’re going to a 4-3 a lot of the time and by the way, the 3-4 never worked all that well for us. We never got enough sacks from the LBs and after teams figured out Rex’s gimmick schemes, even QBs rambled through huge holes in our line for big gains. By the time McFadden had that run against us, the 3-4 was on life support. So picking Richardson and going to the Giants’ tough front 7 approach is potentially a good move, maybe one that saves Rex’s job.

  171. By scjoe on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, I think you know 64 enough to know he would never back down and admit that a mistake, or 2, or 3 were made in this draft, why? Because of the way he had assessed John Idzik for these months leading up to the draft. He will continue to support inefficient moves, moves of little or no consequence before he says “you know what? I was wrong” It just wont happen. That is called “saving face” I would guess 3 of every 5 Jet fans were scratching their heads over the Richardson pick, almost as many over the Smith pick, but 64 believes they were great moves. I wonder if 64 would have thought that if it were Tbum making those same picks. 64?

  172. By danny on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    I love what our new GM has done so far. We got younger and faster on D with our first two picks then get Geno in rd where we don’t have to pay him much so if he don’t work out we draft a new QB next yr. He has potential to be a Russel Wilson. Great pick in the 3rd and even better tade of 4th pick of BEAST Ivory. Ivory and Goodson can split carries and we picked up willie colon. How can u not like what our GM is doing ??? Great job and next yr we continue on the same path and we will have a nasty D and hopefully grab a WR first rd next yr if Geno works out

  173. By RONBO on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    TOM64, I’m gonna assume you are jokeing when you suggest I watch tape or Richardson? I can assure you I am more familuar with him than any sports writer or so-called draft guru on ESPN. i actually got a call from an NFL G.M late Fri nite who was bummed we took him because they wanted him badley! He was completely shocked as his team plays a 4-3 and he never imagined the Jets grabbing him as he, like me, questions the fit or the need? Please note, as we are usually on the same page,I like the player! I dont like the fact we passed on the best G in the draft for a player who will likely be a situational player.The kid has ability but he is not Reggie White! As for Gino,there were 3 S’s who will be starters we could have picked -

  174. By RONBO on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    GARY C, Like I said, I respect your opinion so as you were sold on Brown thats good enough for me! I also like Harper from kansas St.He reminds me of Bolden too
    S.C.Joe, as I’m sure you have no doubt noticed I am 100% with you in regard to this draft. apparently 64 seems to think second guessing anything our new Grand PoohBah does is the equivlent of committing Blasphemy? I for one am not jumping ship as much as I am simply doing what we all come here for: to offer our opinions and have some good discussions and debate.!

  175. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Has anyone in here looked up the stats on Oday Aboushi – G out of VA. This guy iis good. So far in this draft we have taken some pretty good players in Milner, Richardson, Winters and Aboushi. Winters and Aboushi will fit right in and give the QB (whoever they are protecting) some room to pass. Man I am impressed with Aboushi and Winters. If Milner stays healthy we have a good CB and as for Richardon we just may have a good pass rusher. As for the trade for Chris Ivory for our 4th round pick this RB is fast, moves well inside or outside. I started reading these guys stats, impressive, very impressive. As for Geno Smith who knows but something tells me with hard work this kid will pan out and be the starter. Now all we need is a TE.

  176. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, like I told you this morning your big problem is your ego is WAY too tied up in all this. So you have to be right immediately, view learning much less suspending judgment much less (horrors!) changing your mind as weaknesses instead of strengths. The business I run happens not to be involved with the NFL so when I see something I don’t understand, I don’t scoff immediately, I try to learn first. Me and Arte were surprised by the Richardson pick too — until Arte remembered he was Top 15 from most scouts. Then we looked him up, watched his tape, and were very impressed especially since both of us have been saying for yrs that the Giants’ approach to the front 4 buries our joke of a 3-4. All I see you doing is vaguely whining to no pt.

  177. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, if you’re even SLIGHTLY familiar with Richardson, how on Earth could you envision him as a NT, much less start whining that he’s too small to play NT? The guy is 295 and runs like a classic LB! Did you hear what Bauer said about him making plays 20 yds downfield? When you heard that, did you go watch the tape of Richardson doing it? I am in no way saying everything Idzik or the team has done these last few days or wks is going to work out. But only a fool would say that Idzik hasn’t brought a completely new, highly aggressive approach to this team’s roster — and done it faster than many thought he could, addressing QB, O, and D in his 1st draft! I think that’s what scjoe’s sulking about, that Idzik is a lot smarter than he thought.

  178. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    let me say. on a team with as many QB’s as O-linemen yes that’s right we had 6 O/’inemen and pretty sure 6 QB’s gong into the draft, I can’t even put into words how unconscionable that is, We had to draft O/linemen Don’t know how good they are but it certainly can’t hurt

  179. By Chicago Bob on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Based upon what I have seen, I really can’t say anything negative about the job Idzik as done. Granted, he was unable to fill our larger needs however when you come away with (what most experts have said) is the top rated CB, DL and QB with your first 3 picks, the 3rd or 4th rated OG with your 4th pick and then a proven RB in place of your 5th pick, I think Idzik has done a pretty good job. Granted, it would have been great if the holes were filled on our larger needs however when a better player is available over an immediate need, you go with the better player – this is what has gotten us in trouble in the past. Anyone who really knows the game is dreaming if the thought this mess could be fixed in one draft. Solid draft & trade.

  180. By scjoe on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Well, a minimal concession, but a concession all the same 64, “I am not saying EVERYTHING Idzik has done will work out” and “me and Arte were “surprised by the Richardson pick” sure, you sugar coated as best you can, now, dig deep down, and tell us all what you REALLY think so far after free agency, the DR trade, and the draft. Tell us how the “rebuilding” has gone so far. A quote from one of MY all time favorite movies, “My cousin Vinny” where Pesci says to the automotive expert, “C’mon, you can say it, we all know”.

  181. By scjoe on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    64, in all honesty, for me, this is not about knocking Idzik for what he has, or has NOT accomplished so far. I was all for the selection of him. It is about reality! He hasn’t excelled enough in any one area so far for me to give him even a fraction of the praise and the credit you have. Count the absolute upgrades at any starting position so far, how many do you see? Tell me how many of the newcomers you believe will start AND be an upgrade on opening day. You can make the case of a couple of “maybe’s” but where is the definite upgrade, and how many? Isn’t that what rebuilding is all about? The draft is just phase 1. Next up is how they perform on game day, EVERY game day.

  182. By scjoe on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    By the way 64, as you can see, I can get my point across to you with out all the snide little remarks about not having a clue, or how my EGO got in the way, or about that refresher course in logic that I should take, or about me being one of those select Jet fan -Jet haters. Give it a try, you will feel a lot better.

  183. By scjoe on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, I hear ya. I’m not one for jumping ship myself, it has been 53 years and counting and I am not going anywhere anytime soon. Am I just a little impatient? Absolutely! All I am doing here is expressing my views, by ideas, my opinions, and expressing my feelings for this football team. I consider myself an educated fan, especially of this particular team, and I know what I see before me. Basically, that is it! Who agrees with my views I welcome, who don’t, I would be happy to exchange ideas with them in a civil manner.

  184. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Keeps a Real Cool Head on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, talking about football on a website isn’t a stone-cold solemn affair for me, so if you can’t take the joking around I’ll direct it at somebody who can. But I do think you went to great lengths to try to make this great draft look bad so you wouldn’t have to backtrack on your fury after Idzik let go a bunch of stiffs and THAT looked like ego. If you don’t thnk Milliner and Richardson will start, if you don’t think Geno has more potential now than Sanchez has left, if you don’t think most of the OL guys we drafted will work in just fine, if you don’t think Ivory doesn’t have a great shot to be everything Greene was supposed to be…well, if you don’t think that, fine, but I didn’t expect nearly this much creative destruction this fast.

  185. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    MJV,we drafted Milliner because of two words,Kyle Wilson.

  186. By GaryC on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe,we added more sprinkles,Peterman.

  187. By Row on Apr 27, 2013 | Reply

    First off, very happy with the first 4 rounds. I would take Ivory over Lattimore any day. 5 – the rest of the draft was a total head scratcher. No safety, no OLB and Chase Thomas was sitting there. FB was hilarious, the Jets have been through tons in the Ryan years. Really looking for the anchor here. Guessing they’re almost going to exclusively to a 3-4. Very excited though, some sources saying Sanchez will be released. Bring on the running game! Go Jets

  188. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Change on Apr 28, 2013 | Reply

    Wow, 64 Frank, that’s quite turnaroud! I give you credit for seriously investigating the players we picked and what they’ve done rather than just following football the way people follow, say, the Kardiashians, merely venting all their most vicious impulses at the drop of a hat.

  189. By scjoe on Apr 28, 2013 | Reply

    64, first and foremost, this was a “great draft” (on paper by the way,) by whose standards? Yours? I would say this is a great draft if by seasons end it has produced at least 4 starters who are definite upgrades to who they replaced. So, you judge the paper draft now, and I will hold off on my grade until we see how everything works out by seasons end. Logic 101. And please, don’t continue to make yourself look silly by continuing to force that line down my throat about Idzik “cleaning out” a bunch of stiffs, most who’s contracts had expired and “choose” to move on. And by the way, does it really matter what I “think” right now about who will start in September and who wont?

  190. By scjoe on Apr 28, 2013 | Reply

    64 Frank, personally I didn’t think it was a very productive draft in terms of filling critical needs. I don’t believe that a DT in the 1st round filled ANY particular need. There were a couple of mid round selections that I though were good picks and filled needs, but not quite enough to retract from my earlier opinion. Consider, is Millner an upgrade to Revis? Is Richardson an upgrade to either Wilk or Coples? Do we even know if Smith will be an upgrade to Sanchez “yet?” That one shouldn’t be to difficult to accomplish, but we wont know for sure until seasons at the earliest. I would agree it was a good draft if it produces 4 solid starters.

  191. By danny on Apr 28, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64 I’m with you I think we did a excellent job in this draft. How can ppl say we didn’t fill needs we need a QB we drafted one, we need a RB we traded for one and signed a fast free agent. We need help on O line and we drafted 3 guys, we need to replace Revis we did that first rd and finally we need to get younger and faster Richirdson is young and fast as is our new corner. We need a upgrade at WR well santonio is back and I would think they would sign Braylon so next yr we can draft a WR. The only need left is TE and maybe we can pick one up so how can ppl see we didn’t fill needs ????? Will everyone pan out I hope so but we had a excellent draft and made some nice pickups

  192. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Change on Apr 28, 2013 | Reply

    It sure matters who you think will start in Sept, scjoe, when you say wildly negative things NOW like “Smith won’t work out in NY.” As for who thinks this was a great draft, I’ll start with Ira, go on to others who are coming around like 64 Frank and Karan, and finish up with you, who’s now backing off on trashing the draft like you did with trashing Idzik. Idzik, Rex, and the rest of the org are pretty pleased, too. Of course, if you don’t UNDERSTAND the draft, that’s another thing. Richardson isn’t an upgrade to anyone in the 3-4, he’s an addition to round out the 4-3. Milliner is the elite successor to Revis, who insisted on ALL our $. Winters is the successor to Slauson. And you REALLY think Geno isn’t a good bet to surpass Sanchez?

  193. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Change on Apr 28, 2013 | Reply

    Let’s face it, scjoe, none of us dreamed that we even had a shot at Geno, he was projected to go as high as 3. Idzik didn’t expect to have a shot at him either but he kept his cool and took him when he could, as opposed to losing his cool and giving away too much to get him like Mr T would’ve done. The fact is many of us, including me, hadn’t posted more than once or twice about Geno until the minute we picked him, that’s how little he was on our radar. Now that he’s on our team, his 3-yr starter records speak much louder than “Mark’s” fake college career. My guess is the 2 or 3 yrs it takes Geno to become a solid NFL QB is the same 2 or 3 yrs it takes for Sanchez to be out of the NFL and coaching somewhere in Mission Viejo.

  194. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    The Draft is over and I feel we got some choice players. I am very impressed with this kid TOMMY7 BOHANAN, great stats. He can fill in as a TE, HB and FB.
    As for William Campbell out of MICH, he has expierence as an offensive player and played well on defense and offense. Dee Milner and Sheldon Richardson, there stats speak for each of them. Oday Aboushi was a gift. Trading for CHRIS IVORY added to the rushing game. Now we have GENO SMITH, our QB of the future. Now “NEW” the games begin, we now have walk-ins Draft FA and FA to look at. We just might find a top notch OLB now….

  195. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    And I’m with you, danny — not only did we pick a QB, we did it without “trading up” and the one we got was only rated the top QB pick in the draft by almost everybody. Just Say No to Same Old Jet Fan thinking that nobody and nothing can ever work out. Like I said to Ira the other day, these people can barely be called fans. Theyr’e more like the nay-saying journalists they spend too much time listening to, but at least those journalists get paid for whipping up fake controversy. These so-called fans who criticize every move the minute the Jets make it are just walking poster children for anhedonia.

  196. By RONBO on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    DANNY, welcome back bro! We missed you. I see your still the optimist so I wont bring you down too far.I know this our new G.M’s first opportunity to run a draft so I have no problem cutting him some slack That said, i feel mistakes were made! At pick 9 we should have grabbed G Warmack. Even if Milliner was picked there were at least 3 other C.B’s (Rhodes , Trufant or Hayden ) who were all excellent and without the 5 surgeries Milliner has had the past two years? As for Richardson (who is a talent) picking another D.E (he is not a N.T in a 3-4)was a luxury we could not affored with only one potential starter at S, zero OLB’s,zero T.E’s & little talent at W.R. Personally, this draft was a C for me.

  197. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    OFFICIAL Tim Tebow was waived, whose next? If what IDZIK stated holds true now that the draft is over. Their will be a lot of walkins, un-drafted players and FA’s to choose from. We just may find an OLB and WR in this group of players, who knows, they may even be very good. You can find a STAR in the strangest place. RONBO, I am still impressed with this kid TOMMY BOHANAN, this kid has fantastic stats, I was watching some of his highlights this kid is good and strong…

  198. By scjoe on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    64, first of all don’t insinuate I don’t “understand the draft” that would be foolish, secondly, think carefully about what Ron said about “college tape” because it is a fact, it is provided by the universities to promote not only the player but their program as well, do you expect them to put the blunders out there on tape, c’mon, how would that reflect on the player and their program? Your not that naïve are you? All the same issues aside for just a minute, here is what puzzles me, how did you go from Mr Negative to Mr Super Positive in such a short amount of time? Because personally, I just haven’t seen the “explosiveness” that you described anywhere. I would love to, but I don’t. Can you elaborate?

  199. By scjoe on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    64/danny, I feel that I have to repeat this once again, especially to 64 because it appears it is just not getting through. Yes, Richardson was one of the highest rated DTs on the board, yes, he is younger and faster, NO, we didn’t need another DT with that particular pick! An OLB? Yes! Jarvis Jones would have been a good fit whether we played a 3-4 OR a 4-3. With the D line personnel that was already in place Richardson was no more then a luxury pick, and as sure as I am sitting here typing 64, I know that you would have been in total agreement had it been Tannenbaum that made that selection. Am I right?

  200. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    Explosiveness, scjoe? Let’s consider Arte’s pt about how Geno got better over his 3 yrs of starting, while “Mark” barely made it thru 1 yr of starting at all. Let’s consider Geno’s awesome TD/INT ratio. Let’s put aside your odd comment about “college tape” — as if Geno doesn’t exist outside of WV’s support of him — and consider how he’s a mobile QB of a kind we’ve never even remotely had in a new era for that prototype. And that’s just for Geno, Milliner and Richardson’s styles of play and impact are obvious. When you stop thinking in black-and-white generalizations and move on to specifics, you’ll understand me other things a lot better. Sanchez at QB last yr was as low as it gets and Rex was still defending him absurdly. Now (cont.)…

  201. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    (Cont.) Now we have Rex watching his mouth, workng with an OC who actually seems to have watched football in the 21st century, making no commitment to Sanchez or anyone else apart from echoing Idzik’s line about competition, and in general acting like a pro HC. “Change happens” indeed, and Rex seems to have realized that if he doesn’t change with it, he’s definitely history in 2014. For all these reasons and more, I’m optimistic, not Super Positive. I guess you haven’t noticed that I’m the only person on the site so far who keeps saying that picking another QB next yr even higher isn’t out of the question. Doesn’t that make everyone else who likes the Geno pick even MORE Super Positive than me?

  202. By scjoe on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    64, lets stop comparing “Geno” to “Mark” because “Mark” is the exception to the rule. And don’t take the “college tape” so lightly, it is what it is. Also, you can sit here and talk about the positives on any of your favorite players all day long, but don’t think for a minute that player don’t come in with negatives as well, in other words, stop trying to convince yourself, it don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. As for “explosiveness?” I think Jarvis Jones had a little of that as well, more then most Div1 players, I might add, including the DT we took at #13. I like to call it “production.”

  203. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    Does anybody in here really want to wait til 2014 to become a winner, I know I sure don’t. The negativity over the draft selections is unbelievable. Has anybody read the stats and looked at the highlight films on Milner, Richardson, Smith, Winters Aboushii, Williams and Bohanon (other then me)??? I admit I was at first disappointed and judgmental til I went and looked at films and stats on these kids. Somebody said FB’S are out-dated, Bohanon can be used as a TE, HB, and short yardage this kid impressed me. If I had to grade IDZEK, I would give him an “A”. Now starts another part of rebuilding the JETS and that is walkin, undrafted players and FA’s. IDZEK definitly has some players in mind including OLB, etc… Good Work IDZEK.

  204. By Row on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Everyone needs to check Geno’s stats. He is very accurate, looks downfield, and that will translate. His physical stature in itself is better than Mark’s. We got 2 playmakers for the offense! Game changers. That’s what the Jets need. I’m ready to see more.

  205. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s exactly what I mean about not understanding the draft, scjoe, and by the way, no, you’re wrong: The Jets see a bunch of OLBs, most of whom have some kind of bad flaw, a few of whom show major bust potential, and one of whom has spinal stenosis, for Pete’s sake. Then at 13 they see this fast, rangy DT named Richardson of the kind they haven’t had in 30 yrs. They say, “Hmm, the 3-4 hasn’t really worked for us, the middle of our field is a sieve anyway, especially on 3rd and long. Why not ask Ellis, our D version of Ducasse, to put up or shut up this yr, gradually switch to a 4-3, and draft any missing pieces on the front 7 next yr — since scjoe’s the only fan we got who thinks we’re gonna be a serious contender this yr?” Get it?

  206. By RONBO on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    JET FAN FRANK, you know I luv ya bro but take a deep breath, relax and hear me out.I’ve been trying to get through to 64 & anyone else who becomes infatuated with these players based on 30 second highlights provided by their colleges publicity departments to promote the school! These tapes are carefully edited to show the good highlights.(no butt fumbles!) This kid bohannon is a perfect example as after running a 4.9 40 time I would be shocked if he even made the practice squad. His highlight film against low level competition has to be seen for what it is, promotional jiber-jabber! If you want to see real film look up Mike Mayock’s stuff from the NFL network.

  207. By scjoe on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Correction 64, scjoe “was” the only fan who thought we “could be” a serious contender. That was before the less then productive draft and free agency period. But what about you? Are you still on the greatest team ever built by 2014 kick? Because if so, maybe we should reexamine exactly who does not understand the draft. Your analogy of why the FO chose to select Richardson at 13 is right out of fantasyland. Your problem 64 is you are to hung up on all the cute catchy little phrases like “building through the draft” “best player available” “potential busts” etc. The only catchy phrase I adhere to is “filling needs” maybe you should to.

  208. By RONBO on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.JOE BINGO, score one for the good guys! I could not have said it better!

  209. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, this is a Jets site, not a Tom ’64 site, so I won’t go into what role writing plays in my life. But I’ll say this: I predate some of these phrases that you claim I lean on. I can remember when some of them weren’t even in use in pro sports. Which is to say I’ve been around long enough to hear Maynard coin the term “wide receiver.” So I think you need to stop reaching in your attacks on anyone who wonders why you seem to think Mr T trading away all our picks in an effort to cobble together one SB win, Rex bloviating about SB glory and praising “Mark” to the skies, and Woody telling us “You can never have enough Tim Tebow” are suddenly the good old days. And that’s the kind of stuff we’d still be doing if Woody hadn’t hired Idzik.

  210. By Anthony on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Hey All, this is really to SCJOE simply because his comments are the ones i mainly followed. I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I do think at 13 we could have and maybe should have went in another direction (OL,an established pass rusher,safety) but I do like this draft overall. I truly believe they did draft what they felt were the BEST players available. Is another DL a luxury? I don’t think so. I think if you have a guy that you believe is a top 5 talent and you see him there at 13, grab him. when you see the QB that you liked as a possible 1st rounder and he is there in the 2nd, grab him. OL in middle draft are a major part of most successful teams. We did that.

  211. By Anthony on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    If we couldn’t trade down and get the Safety, WR, TE later, why reach. Take the best player PERIOD. We have drafts similar to this over the next 5 years, I think we will all be happy on this blog/site.

  212. By Chicago Bob on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    I know we need an OLB who can get to the QB however I would like to know how many of you out there who wanted Jarvis Jones fully understand what Spinal Stenosis is? Do you or does anyone you know have it? My father has it & is in constant pain. Jarvis Jones may turn out to be a tremendous player however the Steelers can afford to take that risk, we can’t. Jones is going to have to deal with the constant pounding going up against 300+ OT’s. Idzik based his decision on what his scouts are telling him. This mess is not going to be cleaned up in one draft. Next year OLB most likely will be the #1 position of need & we will be able to address it in free agency or in the draft as most likely we will be the beneficiary of another high draft pick.

  213. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    64, just hold on a minute! Why do you believe that by putting words in to my mouth like “Tanny trading away all those draft choices” and Rex “raving about mark” and Woody telling us “you can never have enough Tim Tebow” were things I embraced? What is that all about? You know with out doubt that I NEVER, EVER, embraced ANY of those things, quite the contrary. So, what are you doing? Trying to separate and isolate me from the pack? That can’t work, anyone who has been reading my posts over the years would know that. C’mon man, try going in a different direction.

  214. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Anthony, points well taken. I just want to make my stance crystal clear on both John Idzik and the 2013 draft. Most “experts” some that I respect and some that I don’t, generally ranked the NYJ draft around a C. That is about where I place it. I am not saying it was a disaster, as some are painting me, all I am saying is if you looked at all the critical needs, the obvious needs, most were neglected. So how can any Jet fan go beyond that C grade. Richardson at 13 was not a good selection, is he a good player? Yes! But a G, a safety, a TE, or a WR would have filled much more of a need with that pick. Smith? We can all speculate about his future, but none of us can predict it…..

  215. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    I thought there were to many “projects” at the bottom of the draft, to many conversions, the percentages of all of them working out are low. As for “best player available?“ It is not “always” what is best for your roster. You have to consider needs. And on John Idzik? I was all in favor of the selection, so far I have no regrets, but what he has accomplished “so far” is pretty much in line with the draft grade, a C. Maybe I expected more, maybe I/we, may get more eventually, but to date he is what he is, a C

  216. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    SCJOE, I look further then their 30 second films, I also look at statistics and some of the kids I mentioned have some great abilities. Honestly speaking there is several undrafted kids that I am impreesed with TE Mike Shanahan, Zack Rodgers WR and Ryan Spadola WR I do not care about the 30 second films I look deeper into stats and accomplishments. Another kid that I was impressed with was the #7pick Tommy Bohanan. The heck with the film, read his stats from HS right through his college days at Wake Forest. I feel we have great prospects… LETS GO JETS….

  217. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I didn’t mean to say you embraced all that previous-regime nonsense. I meant that by damning Idzik, his approach, and this draft with such faint praise, you forget that what came before him had become just about the most embarrassing franchise effort in the NFL. Chicago Bob, very sorry about your dad but thanks for this:
    “Jarvis Jones may turn out to be a tremendous player however the Steelers can afford to take that risk, we can’t.”
    I made the same pt to Arte while we watched the draft and on this site on the 2nd day, but it doesn’t seem to have gotten thru to some folks yet. Milliner’s surgeries are pinpricks compared to SS.

  218. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Nice post on the 30-second clips, 64 Frank. scjoe panicked on the basis of those clips, so he assumes that everybody else raved on the basis of them. But he’ll stop his projective ways once we actually get into seeing what these guys actually do on the field. Some folks on this site sometimes just can’t wait to freak out over alleged disaster. I give Idzik 3 yrs to produce a strongly competitive team, but I’d give him 50 yrs to change the catastrophic mindset of a lot of Jet fans.

  219. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    64 TOM, the way I see it I could look at MS’, 30 srcond clips and some of those clips will make him as good A. Rogers and Payton Manning who are 2 of the best QB’s in football. But once you start doing your homework and get into the actual stats compared to Rgers and Manning MS looks like he still belongs in HS. Lets go 1 step further and use TT as an example in College and when he played for Denver his passing ratio was better then MS. All I am saying is; you have to read beteween the lines and look at6 what some of these kids have done. If I am not mistaken wasn’t Wayne Chrebert an undrafted free agent. A star and I mean a super star can come from where you would lease likely suspect it. I like what IDZEK has done so far…..

  220. By scjoe on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    64, read the 1st couple of sentences of 64Franks comment above VERY carefully, they are very telling. Matter of fact I will save you the trouble and rewrite them. “64 TOM, the way I see it I could look at MS’, 30 second clips and some of those clips will make him as good A. Rogers and Payton Manning who are 2 of the best QB’s in football. But once you start doing your homework and get into the actual stats compared to Rogers and Manning MS looks like he still belongs in HS” See where I am going?

  221. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    I like what Idzik has done so far too, 64 Frank, and very much so. But your kinds of posts are just dog whistles to those who think being a Jet fan is just a matter of rushing to unthinkingly predict disaster.

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