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Snapshots of the 15 Undrafted Free Agents

Posted by Randy Lange on April 29, 2013 – 5:08 pm

With a successful draft having concluded over the weekend, the Jets continued to add to their roster today when they announced that 15 undrafted college free agents had agreed to terms.

Of the 15, there are four wide receivers, three offensive lineman, two tight ends, three defensive linemen, a linebacker, and two defensive backs.

Last season, NT Damon Harrison was an undrafted free agent out of William Penn who eventually earned a final roster spot.

The process will soon begin, a week from Thursday for the start of the rookie minicamp at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center, to see if any of these undrafted prospects will be running out of the tunnel at MetLife Stadium when the regular season opens Sept. 8 against Tampa Bay.

Wide Receivers

Zach Rogers (6’0″, 172 / Tennessee / Nashville, TN) — In 2012 Rogers was part of a stellar Tennessee receiving corps that featured first-round pick Cordarrelle Patterson and second-rounder Justin Hunter. As a senior, Rogers started six games and finished second on the Volunteers with seven receiving touchdowns. He also was fourth with 491 receiving yards and fourth with a career-best 32 receptions. Not only did Rogers excel on the field during his time in Knoxville but he also was a model student in the classroom, earning a spot on the All-SEC Academic teams in both 2010 and ’11.

Ryan Spadola (6’3″, 200 / Lehigh / Howell, NJ) — Spadola finished his college career with 232 receptions for 3,611 yards and 24 TDs. His father, Don, passed away when Ryan was in high school and he mentioned in a Sunday article in the Express Times that he and his dad attended Jets games together when he was growing up. The article also quoted Spadola  expressing how he was glad that he no longer had to wait on getting a call from a team. “I’m relieved I have a home and can finally focus on what’s most important,” he said.

KJ Stroud (6’3″, 205 / Bethune-Cookman / Brooklyn, NY) — After spending his first two collegiate seasons at Rutgers, Stroud transferred to Bethune-Cookman, where he played his junior and senior seasons and helped the Wildcats to a 9-3 finish in 2012 with 26 receptions for 293 yards. His most impressive performance came Oct. 20 when he hauled in four passes for 60 yards and one TD in B-CU’s 48-3 thrashing of Norfolk State.

Antavious Wilson (6’1″, 198 / Marshall / Pahokee, FL) — After an impressive 60-reception, 724-yard freshman receiving campaign, Wilson’s numbers declined his sophomore and junior seasons. He responded as a senior, though, with his best season — 69 catches, 741 yards and nine touchdowns. In a 45-38 loss to C-USA foe Tulsa last October, Wilson caught seven passes for 123 yards and two TDs.

Offensive Linemen

Dalton Freeman (6’5″, 285 / Clemson / Pelion, SC) — Freeman joins the NFL ranks after garnering 49 starts in 53 collegiate contests, with the starts, all at center, tying for the most in Clemson history. Besides his great experience, he was a two-time All-ACC first-team selection, a two-time Rimington Trophy finalist, and a 2012 AP All-America second-teamer.

Trey Gilleo (6’6″, 280 / Northern Arizona / Kingman, AZ) — Gilleo started the final 33 games of his career and as a senior earned All-Big Sky second-team honors. He also allowed only one sack in 2012. At Northern Arizona’s end-of-season banquets the past two years, he was recognized as the John G. Yost Memorial Award recipient as offensive lineman of the year and the winner of the Competitive Greatness Award.

Mark Popek (6’7″, 299 / South Florida / Plant City, FL) — After redshirting as a freshman back in 2008, Popek started 21 of 24 games over his final two seasons. The three games he missed during that span were due to an ankle injury. He earned All-Big East second-team honors in 2012 and enters the NFL with his degree in criminology.

Tight Ends

Chris Pantale (6’6″, 255 / Boston College / Wayne, NJ) — Pantale had a terrific four-year career in Chestnut Hill. His junior season was his most productive as he earned the BC College Coaches Award as well as garnering a spot on the John Mackey Award Watch List. He also finished 2011 third on the Eagles with 236 receiving yards. His senior campaign wasn’t as noteworthy, primarily because he missed the first five games with a foot injury.

Mike Shanahan (6’5″, 225 / Pittsburgh / North Huntingdon, PA) — Although he maintains the same name as the current Redskins head coach, there is no relation between these pair of Shanahans. Despite that, Pitt’s Shanahan of Pittsburgh may be the most highly regarded of the Jets’ undrafted free agent bunch. He exited the Big East school as an All-Big East second-team honoree and four-time Big East All-Academic Team selection. As a senior he helped lead the Panthers to the BBVA Compass Bowl, where they lost to Ole Miss, and ended the year with career highs in catches (62) receiving yards (983) and touchdowns (six). After previously earning a bachelor’s degree in history, Shanahan is pursuing his master’s in Pitt’s School of Education.

Defensive Linemen

Spencer Nealy (6’5″, 277 / Texas A&M / San Antonio, TX) — Nealy was a key contributor at DE for the 2012 Aggies, who captured the Cotton Bowl and upset No. 1 Alabama in Tuscaloosa. His junior season was his most memorable as he led the A&M D-line with eight tackles for loss and earned All-Big 12 honorable mention. His father, Ed Nealy, played 10 seasons in the NBA, enjoying stints with the Kansas City Kings, San Antonio Spurs, Chicago Bulls, Phoenix Suns and Golden State Warriors. With the Bulls, Ed was a member of the Bulls’ 1992-93 NBA Championship team.

Roosevelt Holliday (6’3″, 297 / Eastern Illinois / Bolingbrook, IL) — As a senior, Holliday finished sixth on EIU’s defense with 58 tackles from his DT spot, including 8.5 for loss. In the process he helped the Panthers capture the Ohio Valley Conference title and was an All-OVC selection. The previous year, he started all 11 games and totaled 41 tackles. With his signing to the Jets, Holliday joined TE Dirk Androff, a UDFA in 1983, as the only EIU players believed to have signed to play for the Green & White.

Jake McDonough (6’5″, 290 / Iowa State / Urbandale, IA) — McDonough’s career at ISU got off to a rocky start. As a redshirt freshman, the D-tackle played only one game due to a concussion, hamstring injury and illness. Things slowly progressed, though, and McDonough’s senior year turned out to be pretty special. He had a season-high seven tackles during an October 37-23 Cyclones win at TCU. In the final game of his collegiate career, a Liberty Bowl loss to Tulsa, he had five tackles. Aside from football, McDonough has a strong passion for producing music, as described in this Sept. 14 Des Moines Register article. You can bet at some point he’ll talk tunes with another musical artist on the Jets, S Josh Bush.


Troy Davis (6’2″, 249 / Central Florida / Lawrenceville, GA) — Davis capped his four-year career by being named to the All-C-USA first team. Even though Conference-USA is not highly prominent in college football, Davis capitalized whenever the Knights faced bigger schools. Against Big Ten powerhouse Ohio State on Sept. 8, he racked up seven tackles, a half sack and a fumble recovery. As a senior, in 14 starts he led the Knights with 11.5 tackles for loss and eight sacks.

Defensive Backs

Mike Edwards (5’10″, 180 / Hawaii / Cleveland, OH) — Edwards’ college journey had its share of ups and downs. Enrolling at the University of Tennessee out of high school, he played in eight games and had five tackles as a freshman. Shortly following the season, following an arrest, he transferred to Coffeyville CC in 2010. Then he finished his college career with two seasons at Hawai‘i. In 2012 he showcased his versatility, leading all college football players with 1,215 kickoff return yards and a 30.4-yard average. He also had a UH single-season-record three kickoff returns for touchdowns and was named the Mountain West Conference’s Special Teams Player of the Year. In Cleveland, Edwards attended Glenville High School, where he was teammates with Jets CBs Donnie Fletcher and Royce Adams.  

Rontez Miles (6”1’, 210 / California (PA) / Braddock, PA) — Miles was one of the top players at the Division II level over his final two seasons. In 2012 he had four interceptions and totaled at least 10 tackles in three games for the Vulcans. As a junior, he had five INTs and received numerous accolades, including AFCA All-American first-team, AP Little All-America first team, and PSAC West Defensive Player of the Year. On a side note, he was Woodland Hills HS teammates with Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski.

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144 Responses to “Snapshots of the 15 Undrafted Free Agents”

  1. By afinta on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    When will the depth chart be updated? Just who exactly are the starting linebackers at this point – Harris, Davis, and… ?

  2. By Randy Lange on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    afinta, like a number of other NFL teams, the Jets don’t publish an official offseason depth chart. This is in keeping with the wishes of the football side. Our first depth chart likely will be posted the week of the Aug. 9 preseason opener at Detroit. Unofficial depth charts are available on other Websites. One that is up to date can be found on the site of our old friends from Ourlads at: http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/NYJ

  3. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    One thing I like right away is that all the WRs are much bigger than Tavon Austin.

  4. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    P.S. For those who take everything literally, that was A JOKE about Rogers, who’s apparently only a few inches taller (and a few pounds lighter!), being bigger than Austin.

  5. By Another Tom on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    Geno was probably a Woody – influenced pick, afterall He has to sell tickets and merchandise and I m sure no none thought Nassib would available on Saturday…Initially I was disappointed with the first 3 picks, but I think they are all “safe” value type picks which teams can be built around. If the Jets truly wanted Austin they certainly had the ammo to make it happen,…I think We see how Idzik will operate going forward in future drafts…deliberate and calculated

  6. By since shea on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    It is what it is now. No more whining about the draft, the circus, Tebow getting screwed, the Sparano decision for OC last year, Mr T, MS, PSL’s and whoever else. Its time to put this together and hope we do Ok. With a new and experienced OC, a new QB, RB, G, maybe TE, we can surprise some people. If we get enough pass rush with this rumored 4-3 and what should be a strong D Line, then we can absorb the danger of a rookie CB and suspect safeties. Some of the UFA’s here seem interesting. Some WR’s including two at 6’3″ and a pair of TE’s who I hope are promising. More beef for the O Line. Only one LB but I hear this kid can play. If 5 of these kids can make the team, TE’s especially, who knows?

  7. By Another Tom on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    No one seems to be raving about the Patriots draft..Thank Goodness…It appears that our draft is more productive…

  8. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    As I said in a previous post “Promising Exacta Ticket at the Top of This Draft”, IDZEK has players in mind and this does not look like a bad crop of “UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS” Chris Pantale (6’6″, 255) and Mike Shanahan (6’5″, 225) could be a big surprise… The players mentioned in this article appear to be very good players this is how you rebuild a team. GOOD WORK IDZEK….

  9. By TONY GARCIA on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    Jet fan since 1969,good draft let the fun begin.

  10. By IRA on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    These are the guys who interest me the most. You never know who might be the next Chrebet. Some of these WR’s have some interesting numbers. I like Rodgers the most and Mayock had him the number one sleeper in the draft.
    Good Luck to all!

  11. By Mike Jet Vet on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    I mentioned about 2 months back liking the Idea of looking for diamonds in ruff other then conventional places like FA’ UFA draft . All these guys are big maybe we’ll get a few starters, or at the very least contributors… we can only hope

  12. By 41 year fan on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    I Would like to see Simms get a shot under center in pre season . If he has only a fraction of his dads smarts , he could be great …

  13. By Scott Greenbaum on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    Zach Rogers- the next Welker of the Meadowlands – the 2013 version of our own Wayne Chrebet. His Tennessee teammates volunteered that he was the one in practice they’d check with on their routes- a first and second rounder nontheless. He is a natural, cerebral, posession slot receiver, who should be playing catch with Geno as we speak.

    Nice pick up!

  14. By Scott Greenbaum on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    PS my favorite undrafted free agent video is Zach burning Redskin round 3 draft choice, David Amerson for 7:


  15. By Jerry Silver on Apr 29, 2013 | Reply

    The last time that one quarterback was chosen in the first round was 2001..

    Here are the QB selections for the first 3 rounds.

    1. 1 Michael Vick 2. 32. Drew Brees 2. 53 Quincy Carter 2. 59 Marques Tuiasosopo

  16. By Howie D on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Fortunately, Tim Tebow won’t be running out of the tunnel at MetlLife Stadium as a Jet anymore.

  17. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    I read the Jones piece, scjoe, and as usual of late, you don’t seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. The key passage is this: “By rescuing the free-falling Smith on Friday, Idzik also stamped an imprint on these Jets that will last for years, for good or bad. The immediate possibilities for Smith appear to be two-fold: He either opens as the Week 1 starter or is inserted as soon as the season heads toward hopelessness. Which, frankly, also could happen in Sept.” And that’s the pt — Idzik didn’t TALK about “finding competition for Mark,” he went out and got it big-time. My guess is that MS never competes seriously for the QB job and is gone before Opening Day, as he should be. Every snap given to him now is just a snap wasted.

  18. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    One of the things I find exciting about what Idzik’s doing is that his mantra of “Competition at every position” has already become the reality. You can LITERALLY count on the fingers of one hand the players who’ll face no real competition for their starting jobs this yr: Mangold, Brick, Cro, Wilk, Holmes if he’s healthy, and…and…nope, that’s it. That’s another reason I’m quite sure “Mark” will be gone before the season starts, possibly as early as June or July — he’s not a serious candidate to compete for a starting job. Pre-draft, no one remotely wanted him. Post-draft, he’ll seem okay as a back-up to Wilson, a back-up with potential to start over Locker if he doesn’t make it this yr, maybe even a back-up to Bradford under Schotty.

  19. By westcoastJET28 on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Im back fellas!! With the departure of one of if not the biggest distraction and most overrated player the Jets ever traded for(TT), I can finally return. I couldn’t stand reading all the crap about TT or what people had to say about him. I knew from the very beginning he was a mistake and posted that exact thought here on the day we traded for him. Let’s leave it at that and NEVER speak him name around here again! Go JETS!!!

  20. By SCfromNY on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    While I would have preferred a few different choices the draft was IMO better than usual. The UFAs signed, a big plus for me, seem to be a solid group. What i am waiting to see is if the “everyone competes, mantra will be true. If McElroy out performs the other QBs will he win the job? There is no reason why this years Jets after ridding themselves of so many so-so players could not do what Indy did last year. I am hopeful but feel another 6-10 season is more likely. As much as I liked Simms dad he should be released 5 QBs are just too many. To me there is still a glaring need for a pass rushing OLB. Perhaps one will be cut or we could trade our Sanchise for one. There must be a team as clueless as the Jets somewhere.

  21. By RONBO on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    IRA & JetFan FRank, it looks to me that Rogers is the only guy in this crop to have a shot at makeing an NFL roster. There might be one or two others that can make the practice squad(T.E.Pantale, OLB T.Davis?) but most of the o-linemen arent big enough and lack the foot speed to make it.

  22. By westcoastJET28 on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t know what you all think about the moves Idzik has been making, but, I like them. The man knows football. I liked the draft. I like what we got from the DR trade. Of course nobody ever wants to see a future HOFer go but, DR never tried to met us half way and was selfish. With that being said, signing UDFAs is one of my favorite parts of the draft/offseason. Rogers looks like he can provide some depth behind Kerley in the slot and that Wilson kid has some great hands. Could be the next BE. Pantale looks interesting as well, dont know much about Shanahan. I dont think anybody will be missing Eric Smith with the signing of Rontez Miles. This kid is a physical safety, always around the ball.

  23. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Spadola definitely sounds like he might have some of that Chrebet-style underdog potential, Ira. As for Davis, he was picked by quite a few to be drafted and I think he could make short work of McIntyre and Bellore unless they step it up mighty fast. Same goes for Edwards re Trufant and Lankster and Miles re Bush and Allen. (Arte says he read that Miles turned down bigger-school offers to play at the same small college as his troubled brother.) Keep an eye on Edwards at KR if McKnight starts to look better at RB in the WCO.

  24. By GaryC on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Boston talk radio is killing the patriots because they are saying why are we drafting three guys from Rutgers,they say Belichek is doing Schiano a favor because Belichek’s son goes to Rutgers and he knows the players for when Schiano was there,get this,they wanna know why don’t we take players from the SEC.

  25. By scjoe on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    64, in my statement on a previous story about the K. Jones piece I said “this writer had Idzik on the top steps of the HOF simply because he released Tim Tebow”. So, now that you read it once again, tell me, what are you talking about in your reply above to that statement? Because I see no relevance what so ever. The only thing I can see is you just wanted to import the fire on to the latest post, that you accomplished, not much else. Also, here is another newsflash, ALL teams make it a point to “try” to create competition at all positions every year, yet you seem to be fascinated by the fact the Idzik has done it this year. Lets try to raise that bar just a little bit, OK 64?

  26. By GaryC on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    To the Geno Smith fans throwing out his stats,there were only two teams in the big twelve who ended up in the top 50 of total defense,Texas Tech at 38 and Kansas State at 45,now look where Alabama,Georgia and South Carolina ended up.

  27. By Karan on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Geno Smith just fired his agents for not being the no.1 overall pick in the draft! Haha, I can understand having confidence in your game but this guy seems downright conceited!

  28. By 41 year fan, John on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    The Jets have nothing …We will need years to rebuild …I have 0 confidence in this roster …Except Braylon Edwards who doesn’t deserve to be stuck in this mess…Get ready for last place in the AFC East …

  29. By 41 year fan, John on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Make a deal for Stafford …We can save his career from being stuck in Detriot …( A fate worse than death ) ….Leinart is still out there too , although I would imagine anyone in NY would be hesitant to aquire another USC alum at this point ….But he had alot more talent than Sanchez , and arm and he’s a south paw which would play havoc in the AFC East…

  30. By RONBO on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    westcoastJet, Welcome back! as for the UDFA’s here’s my take:Shanahan is the son of Redskins coach Mike and if he didn’t want him I dont think we shouldn’t get too excited about him either.Pantale is slow and not a good blocker so again, dont order his jersey.CBS sopports has a great player ranking and they had over 100 W.R’s listed and Wilson was not among them?, Spadola was ranked #54 w.r,and the 453 prospect in the draft.As there are only about 250 players drafted that says it all.The only guy in this group with a good shot is w.r. Rogers who was over shadowed by 3 studs at Tenn.Hunter,Patterson & D.Rogers.He does have a Welker like game so he’s got a shot. The rest will basically be training camp fodder!

  31. By Randy Lange on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, unless you’ve got some great sources, everything I’ve seen and read is that TE Mike Shanahan is not related to Redskins HC Mike Shanahan, who has two children by the names of Kyle (the Redskins’ OC) and Krystal.

  32. By scjoe on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    SCfromNY, you always have to add politics to the mix, we witnessed that with Sanchez and I am certain we will see it again with Smith. IMO McElroy would have to complete every preseason pass for a TD and that still would not guarantee anything. But after all is said and done I think the QB depth chart will read either 1- Smith 2-Sanchez 3- Garrard, OR 1- Smith 2- Garrard 3- McElroy.

  33. By GaryC on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Karan if that is true about Geno firing his agents,I wonder how long it will take until his head can’t fit through the door any longer.

  34. By Howie D on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    This new regime and team might surprise fans. There are some encouraging signs that are evident. We now seem to have MORE COMPETENCE in key areas such as GM and OC. Rex now seems to be held in check, Sanchez realizes that his career is on the line. IZ seems to be more thoughtful. MM is a huge upgrade from the two former OC’s. Supposedly, we now have a QB with a strong arm, something we have not had in over a decade, and even Woody seems more involved. The AFC East could be up for grabs, the PATS will have fewer wins this year and the FINS will be a strong force. Our Defense will remain respectable, if not better. This will not be the same pitiful, anemic offense. We should have a better record this season and could return to the playoffs.

  35. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, the Jones piece covered many aspects of what Idzik’s done but you focused on only one thing and trashed it. Propagandists with a one-track agenda, not open-minded people, do that. And are you SERIOUS with that line bout “ALL teams” try to create competition after the way the Jets acted the last few yrs?! Any single person on this site woulda been thrilled to see real competition for “Mark” alone, you might recall as late as last wk folks were up in arms that Garrard wasn’t gonna be any real competition for him. So yeah, real competition at almost every spot is BIG news in Florham Park. Just another post that supports my theory that this scjoe isn’t the old scjoe. I mean, what is your larger pt — Idzik ISN’T an upgrade from Mr T?

  36. By scjoe on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    In Cimini’s piece today “An inside look at Geno Smith” the last paragraph is the most alarming….
    GOING DEEP: Smith completed over 42 percent of his passes thrown 15 yards or longer in 2012, including 15 touchdowns. Yet in West Virginia’s six losses, Smith completed fewer than a quarter of his 15-yard throws and was off target (overthrown, underthrown or wide) on more than half of his attempts. Jets perspective: Smith’s deep accuracy was a concern for the Jets; they studied it closely in his pro-day workout.
    It makes a statement about the level of competition where he was somewhat successful, and the level he was not.

  37. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks for the sane post on Geno’s performance against various college teams, GaryC. The problem is we have alleged fans who don’t think it matters what you do on or against Alabama, either, all that counts is saying the Jets will always be terrible. No question Smith will face better competition in the pros but, of course, you made the same pt about the weaker competition Sanchez faced in a downgraded PAC-10. Anyway, it’s very nice to see that some Jet fans can still focus on the stuff that matters as opposed to their own neurotic fears, their own slavish, almost fundamentalist belief in a sensationalistic, nihilistic sports media, and other things that identify such fans as…LOSERS!

  38. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    For the record, here’s what Bucky Brooks thinks: “Biggest steal: Geno Smith, QB, New York Jets (No. 39): The Jets were expected to make a play for a QB at some point in this draft, but few would’ve guessed that the top QB in the 2013 class would be available for them to take with the 39th overall pick. Not only is Smith a viable alternative to veteran Mark Sanchez, he’s a deft, quick-rhythm passer with the potential to develop into a star under the tutelage of OC Marty Mornhinweg (see: Vick and Garcia). If Smith can earn the starting job and give the Jets much-needed stability at the QB position, he could become the face of the franchise and save the Jets.” Another writer who likes what we did in the draft.(Brooks grades it B-.)

  39. By RONBO on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    RANDY, I heard the Shanahan comment while watching one of the college all-star games. Not sure if it was the shrine game or the new one the NFL does? One of the broadcasters said it while commenting on him during the course of the game. But you are righrt,I should have checked on it before makeing the statement. If I’m wrong, my bad, double oooops and apologies to all!

  40. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    I like what IDZIK has done so far, he has brought in 15 Undrafted Free Agents and I sure like what I have seen in Zach Rogers, Antavious Wilson, Mike Shanahan and Chris Pantale. I have not read up on the rest of the players yet, but from the looks of things we are putting together a winning team this year. I sure do not want to wait extra years for wins, like to start this year. I would to see history made this year with a JET vs GIANT SB at Met Life Stadium, (I can dream can’t I)… Good job thus far IDZIK… LETS GO JETS…

  41. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Randy doesn’t seem to like a post I wrote about all the childhish, egotistical things that “Mark” has done on and off the field. So just briefly, I don’t care what players do with their agents, just what they do with the ball.

  42. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s the Brooks assessment of our draft that I referred to on an older story, Ronbo. Yeah, everybody should just have fun and say what they think subject to Randy’s sense of standards and practices. Personally, I got much bigger problems than taking personally what anybody says about anything I say on this site but when some folks don’t seem to think football talk is almost as much of a contact sport as football itself, okay, I try to make allowances. The only thing I WON’T tolerate is silly, sentimental Jet fans who, as soon as we get rid of whatever awful GM, HC, or QB we have, suddenly decide that the guys we just got are somehow worse. I think that reflex may have something to do with why we haven’t won jack in over 40 yrs.

  43. By john fedeyko on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    the draft was good we got a b in idzik’s 1st draft great news i mean our francuse is in great hands with idzik woody’s head is in the right place

  44. By GaryC on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    I want someone to give me a answer on this,if teams go by best available and need,tell me why Campbell is being switched to OG.the jets drafted two interior linemen and signed Colon and Peterman,so need is thrown out the window,and how if a guy hasn’t played the positiion in three years is it best available at that position,not knocking this draft,think it is one of the better ones,but this is a head scratcher when we could of drafted a more needy position,Maybe Tanny called this in to Rex as a going away gift.

  45. By Stevesc on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    For anyone who cares, I just watched Mel Kiper on espn grade the AFC east draft. He gave the Jets a B, which is surprising considering his reaction when they picked Richardson. It was also the best grade of any of the other teams.

  46. By scjoe on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    64, right, I focused on only one aspect of the Jones piece because THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO FOCUS ON! I stated previously that my statement was NOT a knock on Idzik, but on the writer, so you can relax now, may I also suggest reading 101? Also, like it or not, there certainly was competition at most spots on the NYJ the past few years, with the exception of the QB position. And THAT was due to politics, and if you think that will change under Idzik re: Smith, a top pick, then you still haven’t left your residence in fantasyland. See my post to SCfromNY! The million dollar question is, how will you respond when you see it unfold before your eyes?

  47. By Stevesc on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    41 yeart fan, are your kidding, Leinart? He’s one of the biggest qb busts in recent years. I don’t think Jets fans would object to him because he’s out of USC, but because he just plain stinks.

  48. By Stevesc on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    Just want to throw this out there to see what all of my fellow posters think… If Mark Sanchez is around competing during training camp and pre season, and by some chance happens to win the starting job, and I mean really head and shoulders above everyone else, will you support him or not. Karan, I already know your answer.

  49. By GaryC on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,you have already stated that Josh Freeman is a bust,how about trading Sanchez for Freeman and see how many jet fans would rather have him starting this year over Geno.

  50. By Frank on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe…you are catching up to my posts. Smith was passed over 38 times for a reason and would have slid much further if the Jetsies didn’t rescue him. I made the Sanchez comparisons already no one has picked up all the fumbles yet. If you can’t throw deep in the NFL you are doomed. He was a system QB and I have to laugh Idzik snickering that 5 QB’s can work in an unsolicited remark. Well news flash to Idzik they play three different styles of Football if you think you are going to convert Smith to a pocket passer you are dillusionsal. Before the draft I suggested Mike Glennon in the third round he is the better NFL prospect.
    Smith fired his agents just goes to show where this kids head is at “payday” . Who does this?

  51. By Frank on Apr 30, 2013 | Reply

    This guy…Smith has been in the news for all the WRONG reasons. But of course the Jets are smarter than everyone else. What a waste of pick.
    Ya’ll who keep praising Rex what are you thinking? While the rest of the NFL knows to keep their mouth shut with their intentions Ryan is telling Austin “we have a plan for you” which then gets spread to the rest of the NFL leaving the door open for the Rams to jump in front of us and take the BEST offensive playmaker in the draft out from under us. This same type of stupidity with this organization only happens to the Jets. Ron Wolf made the same mistake opening his mouth when we were going to draft Favre and the Falcons jumped ahead of us and we get stuck with NAGEL!!!!

  52. By Jon Salzmann on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    You remember a few years ago during “Hard Knocks” when Joe Namath told of not keeping his hands flush under the center? Rex and Mark told him to “get lost” in so many words…… Can anyone say Butt Fumble…Fire Rex n Mark Now!!!!!!!!!!

  53. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    64, just out of curiosity, are you certain you comprehended GaryCs post about Big 12 competition? The reason I ask is because you seemed to be thanking him for pointing out the “fact” that there is not much competition defensively in the big 12, you know, where Geno Smith played his college ball. Let me add, that the 2 teams GaryC referred to( K. State &Texas Tech) who were the ONLY big 12 teams to break the top 50 in defense(#38 & #45) BOTH held WV to 14pts. Care to respond?

  54. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    This is from EA’s column on this very site, Ronbo. You were saying about stuff getting through?:
    “Q: With Richardson, seems like a 4-3 is a natural. You see us doing that?
    EA: Yes while continuing to be multiple. The Rex Ryan/Dennis Thurman 3-4 front isn’t all two-gapping. The tackle position, the rush ‘backer and will ‘backer are all 4-3 type positions. The tackle in this 3-4 is a gap penetrator, so Richardson fits in well. The Jets will continue to get their best personnel on the field. Many fans didn’t know who Sheldon Richardson was before Thursday night, but he can play at a high level. The Jets were ecstatic that he was on the board with their 13th overall selection.” Congrats on getting your question answered, GaryC!

  55. By Andrew on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Some very astute responses from people who can have a rational football conversation. Zach Rogers might be a steal…as for comparing him to Welker/chrebet…nice comparison but Rogers is both taller and faster than them and also has very good hands. You also may want to pay close attention to the db from Hawaii Mike Edwards whom I saw play in college…this kid may be the starting kick returner……he can flat out fly. Idzik is doing a good job….I had my doubts a month ago, but this team will compete in 2013….getting RB ivory FOR A 4TH rounder was great…him and goodson…powell..McKnight…that’s not bad…and a darn good defense and better o line…..I am looking forward to this season.

  56. By DKM on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    sc joe I always liked your opinion and open assessment of this team but this time around you seem to have lost your swagger, picking geno at 9 or 13 is the old jets, taking him with 39 is the new jets and for this matter to have 1 year to see if the kid has any spunk is just the right think to do or we could have done what the bills did and selected Manuel with 9 or 13, and then we would have looked foolish, if Geno doesn’t work out for us this year we go after a better QB next year, this wasn’t a one year project to make this Team competitive, we don’t know what Geno is I know however what MS is NOT THE RIGHT QB FOR THIS TEAM

  57. By DKM on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    This is clearly a freebe for Idzik this year and he can do what ever he likes and if any of these picks work out good he looks like a genius if not he can blame it on Rex who in return gets janked and we start with a new coach and we go from there

  58. By DKM on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    This was a solid draft, 1 we picked a CB who replaced a guy which would have crippled this franchise for many years to come with his Money demands, 2 we picked a DL player which will help us to solidify the Hybrid D which every Team is implementing now ( with the exception of the Giants), 3 we picked the best QB in this Draft without reaching or giving up any future DP’s and last but not least we gave up a 4th round pick that’s right folks lets say it again a 4th ROUND PICK for Ivory who has the potential to become our next Curtis Martin. Just ask Saints Fans they rather would have given up there whole RB Team instead. And lets not forget Winters who will be better than Slausen ever was.
    So yeah we did all right.

  59. By IRA on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Ive given this a lot of thought and i think whats best for the Jets is to keep Sanchez through mini-camp and see how Garrard and Smith look. More so Smith and see how much he can handle and absorb mentally. If all things look good then my guess is they will part ways then. No nreason to hold onto him until August and hope they can trade him. Too much negativity plus more important it would take very valuable reps away from Smith. Can’t have that.

  60. By SCfromNY on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, you are probably right that McElroy would have to look like a combo of Montana & Marino to get a fair shake. But I will still hope. I don’t see Sanchez being released early Garrard is too much of a question mark. But if by opening day garrard is doing well, McElroy is living up to his fans expectations, and Smith looks decent Mark should be gone. Hopefully the Jets can get a trade partner by eating a chunk of his pay.

    I am still looking for a TE & S but from the video of the Miles kid he looks very promising. I keep reminding myself that 17% of NFL players are undrafted FAs. Look at Harrison & Foster.

  61. By Allan O'Dane on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    The NYJ are heading in the right direction gentlemen,,At first I was stunned with the defensive selections in the 1st rd. I was almost positive that the NYJ were going offense with OL/TE/WR. But..after reading updates and watching highlights on Milliner and Richardson..these two young men will have an instant impact this year. Geno Smith was a steal and this kid OL/Brian Winters reminds me of Larry Allen, he is a mauler with a mean streak… As far as TE / LB / WR / FS I am sure the NYJ will address these spots during and after preseason when players will be cut. With Ivory and Goodson in the backfield that will a good 1-2 punch combo. I truly believe that Geno Smith will start by the 5th-6th game of the season.

  62. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I knew praising GaryC for posting on weaker competition faced by Smith, a QB pick I nevertheless like, would confuse folks and that you’d be one of them.. So speaking of reading, go re-read the post in which I suggested that you and MJV explore the concepts of ambivalence and ambiguity by way of watching SEVEN DAYS IN MAY. With similar naivete more appropriate to a teenage mindset, you and Frank today act as if everything Idzik says to the press is written in stone, even after someone who reports to him told Kimberly Jones 10 seconds before we picked Smith that we weren’t picking a QB. Oh, there they are again — I like Jones’ piece on Idzik but I’m amused by how she got taken in — ambivalence and ambiguity, signs of adult thinking.

  63. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, I’ve posted several times that if Mr T was here, we woulda picked Geno at 13 or even worse traded up to 3 or 4 to get him. After all, Mr T is Mr “Lock In Value,” the guy who told us with a straight face of “Mark” that “This is a guy who beat Peyton Manning, who beat Tom Brady.” (Thinking that it’s as simple as one QB “beating” another is the trademark of the juvenile football fan.) I also said what you say about if Geno doesn’t show a lot this yr, we’ll pick a QB even higher next yr. Ira, I told scjoe that having Sanchez on the roster once Geno starts playing is counter-productive because you don’t want anyone — the press, the fans, and certainly not the team — going backward on the QB quesiton. He didn’t see the “logic” in this.

  64. By GaryC on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    If you want a guy Shanahan reminds me of,it is Ed McCaffrey,ex giant and Bronco,not to sure of his speed,can be an asset in the red zone though.before people get after me,yes,McCaffrey was a wideout and Shanahan will probably be an H back,just saying.

  65. By GaryC on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    JetFantom,if Nabisco Newton doesn’t get the Panthers to the playoffs this year will we label him a bust.

  66. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, also re your pts: Idzik was a key figure in a SEA FO that traded for Flynn, expected him to start, then adjusted its thinking when Wilson looked like the better choice. This is what Harbaugh did with Kaepernick over Smith. This is what Rex CLAIMS to have done when he SAYS he was the only BAL guy who wanted Flacco to start, though that sounds like a very different man than the one who thought “Mark” was “gonna be here for the next 10 yrs.” We have some folks on this site who can’t see a likely connection between what Idzik did re QBs at SEA and what he might well be thinking re Geno this yr and another QB next yr as long as MS IS GONE as you say in your first post today. So I admire your grasp of Idzik’s overall rebuilding approach.

  67. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Allan, Jet fans are so used to desperation moves like the Favre deal, so used to picking up stars like Holmes and Cro for draft choices at the expense of a more well-rounded team — in short, so used to going all-out for ONE SB win rather than building a consistent contender — that the Milliner and Richardson picks were bound to be shocking to some. Picking a high-ranked QB lower down instead of trading up and NOT doing it at the expense of the team was equally shocking. These moves are less shocking if one understands that Idzik has a mult-yr deal and is trying to build the basis of a great team across the board over that time. However, if one’s level of analysis doesn’t go past an enraged, “Where’s our TE to replace Keller?!”, well…

  68. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Howie D I like how positive you are on “winning more games”. The way I see it, I want to start winning this year. No question our defense should be as good if not better then last year. I like this kid Dee Millner in the Corner Slot. In looking at the undrafted free agents I like Zach Rogers, Ryan Spadola, Dalton Freeman, Mike Shanahan, among a few others. I feel we can be winners this year….

  69. By Mike Jet Vet on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    . Off topic, here we go again, or should I say here I feel the need TO GO AGAIN.. I never knew if TT would ever become a viable QB in the NFL, either did anyone of his detractors or critics, what I do know is he’s a great kid, good christian, hard worker, never a bad word for any one you know good old school values . which BTW these traits seems to be taboo these days.. Maybe he should commit a crime or two then he’ll get a shot.. I’m getting so tired of hearing people slam this kid for no apparent reason at all, he was never given a fair shot , in my world you bring some one he gets his chance, So OK if you believe he can’t play fine , at least show some class in your presentation..

  70. By Allan O'Dane on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Stevesc, I will not support Mark Sanchez..and here’s why. Mark does not have the mental makeup of a starting NFL QB. All of his flaws were masked by USC team and 09′-10′ NYJ teams. His leadership skills remain in question. His decision making skills on the field is flat out BAD. How many times during his press conferences that I (WE) have to hear ” I can’t make those mistakes” – “I have to make better throws” – This is his 4th year..those excuses don’t cut it anymore. You are supposed to see a QB progress in his 3rd and 4th yr. Where’s the progression? And what sealed the deal with me, was the the Titans game when the team was driving in for a score and he throws into not single..not double..but TRIPLE coverage..I’ve had enough..

  71. By RONBO on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, you are always a great read here but I dont agree with your assessment of S.C.Joe in this instance.His swagger is completely intact here to me. Like him or not Gino Smith is one of the most polarizing players in this draft.For every positive opinion there is an equal amont of critisism. Hey, none of knows what will happan on the field but do you really want to come here and read 100 posts that all agree? As for Richardson I havn’t read one post here that was critical of his ability.The Richardson & Smith contraversy seems to be about who we could have picked instead who may have helped us even more.There were a lot of great possibilities we passed up for them? Time will tell? Its way too early to grade this draft this soon!

  72. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, first and foremost, and I think you already know this, what all of us are doing right now, besides speculating and throwing opinions out there, is grading names on a piece of paper. History has taught us there is no exact science in the NFL draft, so what that says is we are all on an equal playing field right now. My concerns with Smith are 1- the competition in the big 12, 2- the fact that 92% of his snaps were from the shotgun, 3-his actions leading up to and during the draft, will he make it in NY with this heartless team of scribes? Maybe he answers all those questions on a positive note, maybe he don’t.

  73. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, agree totally, and I have gone on record right here saying that selecting a QB early under the new rookie cap is no longer a life changing event, unlike the days Sanchez and Jamarcus Russell. The biggest effect it can have is setting your team back a year. Will that happen in the case of Smith? No one knows the answer right now. Same is true for the whole rookie class of 2013. My worse fear IS being set back another year.

  74. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Frank, like you, I was anti Mark Sanchez since the day he was drafted, like you I was 100% dead on. I don’t have quite that same feel with Smith, but I do have questions. As a long time NYJ fan I can only hope that those questions will be answered on a positive note. I hear what you are saying about him dropping to 39, especially considering there was a time when he was being projected to go #1 over all. The one saving grace in this mater is the rookie cap, so at least it wont be on the same scale as Mark Sanchez.

  75. By joeydefiant on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Here is your weekly correct predictions from the comments scorecard. Ira: 0 correct. SCJOE: 0 correct. Spicer: 0 correct. Jet Fan Since 64: 0 correct. GaryC: 0 correct. Ignore the noise.
    Milliner, Richardson, Smith, Winters, Bohanon, and Ivory. That’s six starters obtained from 7 draft picks. GREAT DRAFT. Idzik and Ryan for president 2016!!!

  76. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Johnette Howard has a great piece today on ESPN pointing out the many levels on which Idzik has “changed the culture” on the Jets already. Here’s just one good paragraph from it: “Patience [on the part of Jet fans for a thorough rebuilding of the team] is so not New York. And again, the explanation has to be this: It’s been a blast of fresh air and hope to finally have someone at Florham Park who frames things with reality as his guide — not bravado, not bluster, not inexplicably bad judgments about things that seem so obvious to everyone else.” I particularly like that last sentence, which clearly refers in part to Rex, whom she describes as havng now been “neutered,” at so many different points during his tenure.

  77. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Alan O’Dane, like you, I was also “stunned” with the #13 pick. I still am! Like you, I applaud the selection of Winters, I think he will be a keeper. But I think that you dismissed the neglect of getting that TE, safety, OLB and WR just a little to nonchalantly. I just don’t see those spots being addressed through free agency any more at this point in time, and the signing of any cuts of vets from other teams will also include the reasons why they were released. As for Smith, I think by reading my recent posts you know where I stand on him. “On paper” right now, this draft has been given a C average by most. It can go way up, it could go way down. Stay tuned.

  78. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    64, LOL! I have told you this before, but your “answer” as to why you praised GaryC for pointing out the less then stellar defensive competition in the Big 12 (the conference where Smith played) leads me to the conclusion that you really are a funny guy! My world! How long did it take you to come up with an angle like that? I guess you must truly believe I am “naïve” Another newsflash for ya, I’m not!

  79. By scjoe on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    64, re: that “great” Howard piece on ESPN, don’t you think that both you and him should exercise just a little bit of that “patience” that you in particular have been throwing out there for months now? After all, you have been giving Idzik all this credit for “changing the culture” of the NYJ without ever seeing what kind of product he puts out on Sunday afternoon. Thee most important thing. I still ask the question, what has he done so extraordinary to receive the level of praise you have been given him in his short term heading this FO? And please, not the releasing of Tebow, or Scott, or NOT resigning the mediocre FAs who’s contracts had expired. Something extraordinary.

  80. By joeydefiant on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Let me refute all the incorrect criticisms of Geno Smith I have read in the comments here so far.

    1. Geno Smith was behind a strong offensive line at West Virginia.
    Fact is the last time a West Virginia offensive lineman was drafted in the NFL was the 7th round of 2010. Selvish Capers is the only lineman drafted that played in front of Geno Smith and he has never made it into a game in the NFL. The Mountaineers offensive line is not the worst out there but it is not the powerhouse that people are making it out to be.
    2. Geno Smith played inferior defenses that padded his stats and he was over-drafted because of it.
    Fact is Geno Smith played better ranked defenses than Andrew luck did in their senior seasons. (Part One)

  81. By joeydefiant on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Here is a comparison of Geno and Luck and the defenses they played in their senior season.
    2012: Geno Smith went up against…

    18th ranked defense (TCU).
    21st ranked defense (Maryland).
    38th ranked defense (Texas Tech).
    45th ranked defense (Kansas State).
    48th ranked defense (Syracuse).

    64th ranked defense (Oklahoma).
    67th ranked defense (Texas).
    80th ranked defense (Oklahoma State).
    94th ranked defense (Iowa State).
    101st ranked defense (Marshall).
    113th ranked defense (Kansas).
    119th ranked defense (Baylor).

    Smith faced an average defensive ranking of 67.3.

    (Part two)

  82. By joeydefiant on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Andrew Luck went up against in his senior year:

    28th ranked defense (California).
    36th ranked defense (Notre Dame).

    57th ranked defense (USC).
    63rd ranked defense (Oregon).
    86th ranked defense (Washington Sate).
    88th ranked defense (Oregon St).
    96th ranked defense (UCLA).
    97th ranked defense (Duke).
    98th ranked defense (San Jose State).
    99th ranked defense (Washington).
    108th ranked defense (Colorado).
    112th ranked defense (Oklahoma State).
    115th ranked defense (Arizona).

    Luck faced an average defensive ranking of 83.3.

    As you can see Geno went up against an average defensive ranking of 67.3 while Luck went up against an average defensive rating of 88.3.

  83. By joeydefiant on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    3. Geno Smith is only a system quarterback and does not have the ability to play in a pro style offense.
    Fact: In Geno’s sophomore year he started in a pro style offense and finished with 24 TDs and 7 INTs and a 141 passer rating.
    4. Geno cant play in bad weather. He played in a lot of bad weather games besides the pinstripe bowl playing in West Virginia outdoors. He has good arm strength which will translate well in windy conditions.

  84. By RONBO on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    ALLAN O, First of all you know I think your one of the very best posters here on Randy’s Radar. and yes I promosed to be a good boy & not to be critical of this draft class anymore. And will stick to it. I will pose a question though. Wouldn’t we better off saying we think this guy or that guy has a chance to do well, rather than state that any one of them will have an immediate impact or compare them to any all time NFL greats based on the 30 second videos that show only the good highlights? hey, just throwing it out there bro. Believe me I wish I was as sold as a lot of people here on this class.

  85. By IRA on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    I think the media had got to take a step back it’s out of control. I think Geno is taking way to many hits about certain things that are being said about him. Lets give the guy a chance to get on the field before they start taking shots at him. I love the pick and can not wait to see him play.

  86. By Mike Jet Vet on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    I hope G-Smith works out, I know some will say this is me being negative, but lets start with the facts. 1st fact, all through draft day we saw, him sulking then threatening to leave NY, Next fact, he come’s out in the press his very 1st day boasting he’s our next franchise QB.. Next fact, he fired his agent blaming him for not going 1st over all or very high in the 1st round, couldn’t possibly be his fault he dropped I’m sure..Now tell me especially our great minds here at the radar don’t see this as character deficiency, or at the very least immaturity. either way it becomes a problem, and why I wanted EJ over Smith, he has shown much more maturity, which I believe will translate on the field

  87. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Weekly assessment of reading level grade: joeydefiant, preschool, since he somehow lumps me in with the folks who don’t think this was a great draft. In fact, joeyd, only Ira of the frequent posters comes close to matching my enthusiasm for the guys we picked and Ivory. (Of the less frequent posters, Arte and I agree almost completely on the draft.) Most of the others you list are kind of grudgingly starting to admit this wasn’t your dad’s Mr T draft, though Spicer’s championing of Geno is notable. And Ronbo, read the draft grades piece on this very site — all B’s except for the SPORTING NEWS, which you tried to hype as the majority view when in fact it’s a loony outlier. Not to mention Brooks’ view that Geno is “the steal of the draft.”

  88. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    I see Idzik has fired two scouts, which as Cimini reports is not surprising since GM’s like their own guys. I have a feeling a coach who could be gone by July is Lal, who was definitely put into a tough spot last yr by way of injuries and shifting personnel at WR but who seemed not to adjust to the situation very well. No doubt having to work with that offensive genius Sparano wasn’t a break for Lal either. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see MM bring in a few of his own guys, given that he’s got as good a shot at the HC job in 2014 as Rex and Rex hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in his own hiring of coaches, i.e. hiring a former DB to coach the DL.

  89. By Karan on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Thank you Mr. Idzik for starting to change the scouting department. This is great news, he will bring in his own people meaning we can say goodbye to Tannenbaums people. This guy is establishing things for next offseason. Terry Bradway should be gone. Michael Davis, who I’ve heard was responsible for the Geno Smith pick is also not going to get his contract renewed.

  90. By Karan on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    Also glad to hear Quinton Coples will be moved to OLB. i thnk he fits that role better, as an edge rusher. His physique looks like it could be built for it, ally if he sheds off maybe 10-15 lbs to play the position very well. But great move, makes up for not having enough depth at OLB. Richardson pick makes more sense now.

  91. By Karan on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    OLB – Quinton Coples, Antwan Barnes, Ricky Sapp, Garrett McIntyre, Calvin Pace.
    –not top notch, but it looks much better than it did a week ago. I’m most excited to see what Coples, McIntyre and Barnes bring to this position

    DL – Wilkerson, Richardson, Garay, Ellis, Harrison

    – nice depth here and don’t forget, Coples won’t always be at OLB, he’ll still move into DE every now and then, so really a 6-man D-Line, looks great

  92. By Karan on May 1, 2013 | Reply

    The Jets really need to sign a TE though. Really dissapointed the Eagles drafted Ertz, that team has too many players at too many positions. Always adding, gets annoying but understandable, trying to form the best roster.

  93. By Howie D on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    ’64 Frank: Yes, we should win more games, even though the schedule’s a bruiser. We probably won’t know what we really have until after a couple games in, but the brain trust seems much improved and that should at least lead us in the right direction.

  94. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    So Ronbo, scjoe, and everyone else who melted down over the Richardson pick, now it comes out that Rex is moving Coples — yeah, Rex, the guy who helped draft Coples — to OLB in the 3-4. Which explains his wanting Richardson 3-4 or not, though Rex has also said we’re going to play more 4-3. Do you remember last week when I wrote this?: “I’m no fan of Rex but even I wouldn’t accuse him of getting excited about Richardson, cheering on the pick, and then saying, “Oh yeah, I forgot, we play a 3-4.” I think if people on this site (and probably people everywhere) counted to 10 or at least to 3 before saying the most catastrophic thing on their minds with every new plot point, they’d be a lot happier with Idzik’s plan (and with life in general).

  95. By IRA on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    I thought Coples started to show signs of what he could do towards the end of last season. Still not sold on him completely but i think the Jets are taking a gamble now moving him to OLB and hope he is the next Adalius Thomas. I think teams will expose him by making him cover much faster RB’s or WR’s. Once in a while maybe but as a full time OLB i think this is a mistake. Why take players out of their natural position especially DE’s and try to convert them to OLB. In most cases it doesn’t work.

  96. By IRA on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    They will get a TE after or about June 1st. Not too worry somebody will become available. Just don’t sell Cumberland short i think he is a solid player who could put up better numbers if given a chance in the right system.

  97. By RONBO on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    64, Correction the grades went as follows; Spots Illustrated=C
    I dont know about the propaganda on the Jet site but I got mine off Yahoo sports.

  98. By RONBO on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    64, So you accuse others for prematurely reacting to the latest news and then you jump out of your shoes when you read Coples is moving to OLB? Come on bro, none of us here has any idea how that will work out,or if it is just another of Rex’s fantasy’s? Hey, if it happans and it works out I’ll be the first to eat cro.Unlike you I have no problem admitting my mistakes. I’ve yet to read an apology from you after one of your goof’s.Oh thats right, that because your ALWAYS RIGHT!!!! Oh, and for the record, I was never critical of Richardson the player, just the fact that like most people here, I would have preferred Warmack! IRA, remember this moment as 64′s already penciled in Coples as the next L.T and a sure fire hall of famer no doubt!

  99. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    joeydefiant, the big story today is your masterful breakdown of all the wildly over-the-top criticisms, as Ira calls them, of Geno. You won’t get NEARLY as much credit for your posts as you should because for a lot of Jet fans, watching football is like watching the Kardashians — worship and trash players on a purely personal basis, make a big deal out of media nonsense (as MJV does for the most part with his concern over a bunch of gossip about Smith that’s been whipped up by the press), and in general exercise (as opposed to exorcise) every possible neurotic, negative fear that you could possibly have. But some of us here do still appreciate good old-fashioned football analysis and yours on behalf of Geno is worthy of a Pulitzer Prize.

  100. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, I don’t know, of course, if Rex is smart to move Coples to OLB. I do know it’s a little early to be making definitive statements about Coples’ potential. But I also think you’re assessing this move through a very narrow lens. Rex is coaching for his job this yr. If he wanted Richardson and had already contemplated switching Coples, as Cimini pts out he started hinting at in Feb, I think it’s partly about the pressure he’s under. That goes to my pt re the Jets’ traditionally cold feet about playing guys they draft. Arte nailed it the day before the draft talking about Idzik picking guys who can start. I wouldn’t be surprised if Idzik told Rex it’s time for his guys to show up or REX will be gone next yr, not just Wilson, Coples, etc.

  101. By GaryC on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    JetFantom,when did I say I did not like the draft,the only two questions I had was why draft Geno with a stronger crop of quarterbacks next year and the moving of Campbell to the offensive line after we drafted two guys and signed Colon and Peterman,I thought Campbell would give us depth as a tackle/end,in case we did go to more of a four three look.Is that being down on this draft.

  102. By GaryC on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    JoeyDefiant,I am amazed after reading your stats that Luck ended up as a number one pick and Geno 39,you should of passed them around prior to the draft.

  103. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, for a 60-something guy you’re not reading too well, but I imagine it could be a routine learning disability whereby your emotions get in the way of your comprehension. I didn’t say I think Coples will be a great OLB, I said Rex wants to move him there and that explains the Richardson pick. As for being wrong, I’ve said I was wrong to get on board with Rex and the Sanchez pick despite having watched MS at USC and come away unimpressed. I’ve said I was wrong to assume that Woody’s keeping Rex on this yr meant that he loved him when it might just mean he only wants to pay him for one yr of not working instead of two. Stop foaming at the mouth, start reading more carefully and, someday, stop letting your emotions override your intellect.

  104. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I have to go back to work for most of today but it looks like Randy’s not printing a post in which I said you should read the Johnette Howard piece more carefully becuase for one thing she’s a her, not a him, and for another she answers every question you ask about jow Idzik’s changing the culture. And I didn’t say changing the culture means improving the W-L record and neither did she, but it’s sure a step in the right direction toward improving the W-L record.

  105. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s a nice post from the NFL site: “For information about Geno Smith from a known source , let Trent Dilfer weigh in. The former Super Bowl champ runs the Elite 11 passing camp, matching top college quarterbacks with hot-shot high school prospects. Of the six college quarterbacks who worked the camp last summer in Redondo Beach, Calif., Smith was the only one who arrived with full knowledge of the 89-page playbook Dilfer put together and sent to participants three weeks before camp opened. “Geno showed up, and on Day 1, he could have taught it,” Dilfer told USA TODAY Sports. “He didn’t just know it, he owned it.” “The Pro Football Weekly report should be discarded,” Dilfer added. “It’s almost laughable, the stuff he put in there.”

  106. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    RONBO, SCJOE, did you read up on this kid KJ Stroud (6’3″, 205 / Bethune-Cookman / Brooklyn, NY) I realize he did not play in a top graded school. If you did not read up on him please do do,and go back to his HS days. This kid has a good no great hands as a WR. He is very aggressive at going after the ball and has some fantastic hip and leg moves also has speed. Like I said in previous posts some of these undrafted kids have talent. This kid is a local being from BROOKLYN, NY. I hope he is as good on the field as he is on paper. He could become a local favorite….

  107. By russ on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    I said it before…Geno is a no-no…rather talk to boyz in the hood than his coaches…he is truly a wasted pick…

  108. By Howie D on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Stats and comparisons about rookies are at best a guess at this point. We won’t really know what this new team is all about until the real season starts. Some of these guys could be great, some could be bust. The key is to have the intelligence to recognize the situation and make immediate adjustments. That wasn’t happening under the old T’baum/Shotty/Sparano/Rex regime. This new brain trust, including Woody’s apparent new hands-on approach, seems to be different and I sense that things will be better.

  109. By GaryC on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Jetfantom,so you are all in on what Dilfer says about Geno,one of those “ELITE” quarterbacks who have won a Super Bowl.

  110. By GaryC on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    the jets coaching staff needs to stop trying to invent the wheel,put guys in the best position to succeed,Coples does not play outside backer in a three four,please,he has gone from inside pass rusher and know a outside backer.

  111. By IRA on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry i watched Coples at practice all last summer and in my non-educated football eyes i just don’rt see him as an everydown OLB. Maybe in certain situations but not every down. Can’t see him sealing the edge on running plays or covering guys on an every down basis. I thought Coples showed some life the last month but i think moving him to outside is going to confuse him. Sorry thats just my opinion.

  112. By Mike Jet Vet on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo.. I agree on your post on Rex moving Coples to OLB . plus Tom64 flip flopping once again, stating a different opinion on the subject accusing fans of misinterpreting his statements, Randy doesn’t for some reason post some of my comments towards these hiccups even though they’re clean no vulgarity (sorry randy I’m about fair balanced even if it hurts like it or not) in reaction to Tom64 many snide remarks towards me and others trying to bring light to the facts, guess if we don’t use words like ambivalence and ambiguity to insult someone it isn’t worthy enough , so maybe next time I’ll break out the dictionary in response.. that’s if this is even posted

  113. By scjoe on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    64, I never said I read the article, I don’t care if she is a she or if he is a he, and quite frankly I don’t care what her “opinions” are either. My point to you is, maybe YOU should start to demonstrate some of that “patience” you have forced down everyone’s throat since you have become the unofficial spokesperson of the John Idzik fan club. Have a little patience yourself, see how all of his brilliant moves translates to the playing field instead of reprimanding , lecturing and criticizing those who don’t agree with your opinions 100% of the time.

  114. By scjoe on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    64Frank, this kid certainly has the size to become a nice red zone target, but the fact of the matter is there is a reason why he wasn’t drafted. But make no mistake, undrafted FAs impressing, and making rosters has become more and more commonplace, so never say never.

  115. By scjoe on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    My thoughts on potentially moving Coples to OLB, and they are ONLY thoughts, they are not predictions. I don’t think it will work out. If this move was behind the idea of selecting Richardson at 13, I personally don’t agree. Will Coples be asked to drop about 20-25 lbs to accommodate the move? Because God knows aside from rushing the passer he will not be a good fit there, he would not be able to cover even the slower backs and TEs. If that was the thought process all along why not select Jones at 13?

  116. By RONBO on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    JET FAN FRANK, as you to are such a good guy here & are so positive I find it impossible to strongly disagree with you.Your a lot like Danny and to me thats a good thing. I do agree with S,C. Joe however as those video’s they show here are clearly skewed to show the good stuff.As for the stats, you have to remember the level of competition makes a hugh difference.I am 100 % positive Shanahan or Spadola will not be on the Jet roster come opening day.The Rogers kid bares watching as he has a decent shot! Tom64, I read your post to S.C.Joe two headers back and you made good points.Lets all keep in mind we all want the same thing here,a winning team.We just have different ideas how to make it happan.That in itself doesnt make anybody a bad guy!

  117. By Allan O'Dane on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, Thanks for the comp..By no means will I ever compare 30 seconds of highlights to any of the past greats. No draft pick is a sure thing. The NFL is a different beast. It’s very rare to see a college player come in and make a impact right away. BUT, players selected in the 1st round..those are the guys teams are looking at to be future pro-bowlers..guys that should be able to start. I look at the draft as players you want..free agency is players you need. Will Milliner be the next Revis?..I hope not…I want him to make his own legacy…You really can’t tell the value of your picks until the 2nd or 3rd year…That’s how you evaluate your draft picks..I expect to see growing pains..Hoping to see them push thru it as 1st rd picks

  118. By Allan O'Dane on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe, I didn’t forget about the TE/OLB/WR and I’m sure the new GM didn’t either. He knows that in a WCO you need that TE that can stretch the field. I maynot like Rex as an HC…but he will figure out a way on defense this year to be at least top 20. Idzik is not going to spend crazy money..he’s trying to find a way to trade Sanchez right now. Even if we don’t address these needs now..I know in the 2014 draft they will. I like the players we drafted…I won’t grade them till year 3. In the meantime, just sit back and let’s watch this team unfold into a powerhouse by 2015…I can wait…I waited this long…

  119. By Allan O'Dane on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    64tom…that’s exactly what I said a couple posts ago..this team is not one player or QB from winning the superbowl.. That’s what some fans here are used too..getting big name players either on the decline or troubled history..strapping this team with outrageous contracts..( Mr.Tbum ) No one wants to see rebuilding..they don’t want to see the beauty of a 454 big block being built piece by piece..what happens when that big block is built? you put in a beautiul 1970 SS Chevelle and watch it go…Seattle went thru it…Niners went thru it…and people forget when New England was just plain awful..what happened? rebuilding…new GM..new coach..and a lucky 6th round pick.
    Good to see a GM that actually knows what he is doing..

  120. By Stevesc on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    I believe that everyone here brings something to the table as far as football knowledge, and that is what is interesting to read on this blog. Frankly though, the sniping that goes on gets a little monotonous and boring. Everyone has an opinion, and should, as such, be respected. Sometimes it sounds like a bunch of grade school kids going back and forth with the I said, you said, I didn’t say stuff that goes on. There is nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion, but it would make reading this blog more enjoyable if we agree to disagree without all the negative comments. I know I’m guilty of it at times, and will try to keep it civil. IMHO.

  121. By kleckofan on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    I will go on record as saying I do not like the Coples move to OLB, agree w Ira et al.

    Maybe its just the sour taste of V Gholston (will it ever go away?). The position is difficult to draft effectively (as I said, Mingo and the like were scary propositions), nevermind trying to transform a hand-in-the-dirt guy to a stand-up guy. Rex is reaching here and possibly, no, probably negatively impacting Coples’ growth.

    Richardson may end up being a beast, I hope so, but not to the detriment of a promising player.

  122. By kleckofan on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    BTW- regardless of your early take on Idzik the Johnette Howard piece on ESPN is well written and a very good read. It should make even those unhappy with some of the recent moves feel more positive. Give it a read.

    Also, I forgot to mention, and didn’t see anyone on here mention it (may have missed it), but on Mike & Mike Bill Polian stated that he thought Milliner and Richardson were tremendous picks that will both be plug-in players for the Jets. It made Greenberg happy (he’s a Jets fan).

  123. By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    SCJOE, RONBO I agree, some undrafted FA’s have become super stars, no doubt about that this kid Cookman could be a big steal, as for Rogers he is a favorite of mine to make the team, among a couple of others. If Couples can play OLB as good as they are claiming and Richardson fills a much needed DT slot. Our defense just might be in the top 5 this year. As for offense, they need to score points the defense can only do so much, but without scoring points we are just another Mediocre team. I feel that IDZIK is changing that with the addition of Goodson, Ivory and Smith, Bohanan, Winters, Aboushi and Campbell and if Cookman and Rogers make the team and is as good as I hope they are, might just be a new JET ERA….

  124. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    I didn’t say you didn’t like the draft, GaryC, I said you weren’t as enthusiastic about it as me. And I didn’t say I liked Dilfer as a QB but he sure commands respect as a coach of one. I’m sorry if ambivalence and ambiguity are too high-falutin’ for ya, MNJ, but you really should try to put them into practice because at this pt you simply don’t understand most of what I’m saying. Same for you, scjoe. I express optimism about Idzik’s obviously marked change from the way Mr T worked the job and you criticize a sportswriter who writes an article on that, then admit you didn’t read the article, then have nothing to say other than merely attacking me personally. I will, however say this, though I don’t know if Randy will print it (cont.)…

  125. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    …(cont.) The day it’s illegal to criticize other people’s posts on this site when they are classic examples of kneejerk hysterical catastrophizing of the kind that has helped make Jet fans and the New York sports press the joke of the NFL is the day I stop posting on it. Far from claiming to know it all about the team, I’m constantly citing the 3-yr rule, constantly arguing against paying any attention to the loser NY press and loser NY fans who’d rather revel in losing than risk the challenge of winning. Idzik has boldly taken up that challenge in many ways. Ira, I don’t say your reports from Cortland (or wherever) on such as Coples are wrong. I say Rex will do anything to survive this yr and that’s clearly a big part of the Coples move.

  126. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, I’m not sure we all want the same thing and if I did live on your block, I’d discuss that with you at length over the back fence. I think there are folks on this site — the guy who so insightfully calls Geno “a no-no” is only the most recent example — who want to be the first to predict disaster and see it happen. They’re just like many NY sportswriters and I’m not sure I’d call them fans at all. Allan, and Stevesc, there’s a pattern I’m very familiar with on this site: I talk about a specific aspect of the team and if it’s too positive or demonstrates “reflective functioning,” I get accused of “flip-flopping” or get attacked in personal terms. Allan, if you don’t want this to happen to you, don’t use the word “rebuilding.”

  127. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    Nice try encouraging scjoe to read the Howard article, kleckofan. You display the patience of a social worker since scjoe should know better than to trash people and their work when he hasn’t investigated who they are or their work. But if I wanted to be a social worker, I’d go for an MSW, not read the Jets website. Maybe my take on moving Coples to the outside isn’t as critical as yours and Ira’s because I’m not too concerned about whether Rex is back next yr. If he can’t make major contributors out of Coples, Ellis, Wilson and so on, as Allan alludes to with his talk about what you’re supposed to get out of high draft picks, it will largely prove what I often say about how poor he is at developing players and I’ll be glad to see him go.

  128. By RONBO on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    STEVE SC, Thank you for the slap in the face reminder to keep it civil here. I will join you in trying too!. 64 is right about one thing, I know I am occassionally guilty of letting my emotions get the best of me so to anyone I have offended please accept my apologies! Again, I will keep it to a minimum! S.C.JOE, as usual I loved your post regarding Coples switching posisitions? If it works it makes the Richardson pick a great move. He and Mo coming off the edge is a nightmare for any Q.B. On the other hand we have to hope it doesn’t negatively effect Coples if he is unable to handle the change?

  129. By scjoe on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    64, I’m going to take a page out of Stevesc’s post above. So, I just want to tell you that you are 100% right in EVERYTHING you say here on the Radar. You are right about ALL the draft picks. You are right about Rex, you are dead on accurate on Idzik. You were right about Revis and the compensation received. Your right about being super positive (when you want to be) your right about being negative (when it serves you) your right about crediting the scribes (when their opinions line up with yours) your right about trashing them (when their opinions differ from yours) Not much more to say, except You Are Right!

  130. By Allan O'Dane on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    64tom..”It is what it is”..rebuilding…starting over…however anyone wants to call it. EVERY team has to go thru it. We didn’t notice the seattle seahawks till last year…why? because they were bad…why is that? because they were in their rebuilding phase…so now..the Seahawks are on everyone’s radar…why? because they are 1 step away from the SB. I look at it this way..and some posters here may like the route of spending money on big FA’s and players who are old and slow..Me, I’ve had enough. Give me a bunch of young guys who want to ball…give me a QB-WR-RB to grow together like Aikman-Smith-Irving. Sometimes you have to tear things down…and build something new…

  131. By Mike Jet Vet on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    off topic SteveSC Yes I agree why can’t we all get along and in a perfect world we would, But since dishonesty exists, insults are thrown, false narratives used to make points, slandering good men and boys just for reasons I don’t nor want to understand, there are a few feeling the need to fight the good fight so to speak, no matter how some may perceive it.. Good or bad, Now I Know some may think this a bit extreme but none the less I believe it to be reality. Judge me how ever you please. I can live with it

  132. By scjoe on May 2, 2013 | Reply

    By my count there were approximately 40 players from last years roster returning this year. Including the practice squad and the IR list. The roster is made up of 53 players. So someone, anyone, tell me how that equates to “rebuilding?” I was always of the opinion that “rebuilding” meant starting entirely from scratch. Now, I may not be as bright as some who post here, so please, someone explain it to me like I am a six year old, how is this “rebuilding?” Can anyone tell me what the average turnover is for all NFL teams each year? What if “Mark” wins the starting job, are we still “rebuilding?“ 64, my last post had nothing but gushing praise for you, but somehow it didn’t get through. Randy?

  133. By joeydefiant on May 3, 2013 | Reply

    64 Thanks for posting that piece from Trent Dilfer I didn’t see that anywhere else. Maybe I am crazy but I will put more more weight in an assessment from a man who played the position in the NFL than a bunch of reporters and commenters. If these so-called media experts were continually correct in their assessments don’t you think a NFL team would notice and hire them? Sorry 64 for lumping you in with all the negativity I really try to skip through all those comments so I don’t read every one all the way through. When it starts with a bunch of Francessa quotes I tune it out.

  134. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 3, 2013 | Reply

    You won’t get any argument from me about rebuilding, Allan, that’s for sure. Some of these guys talk as if we’ve won a bunch of SB’s with FA’s — when the reality is the only SB we ever won happened because of a rebuilding process around a high-drafted QB that took 3 or 4 yrs.

  135. By Allan O'Dane on May 3, 2013 | Reply

    Scjoe…rebuilding is not done in 1 year..it’s takes time..you filter out the bad pieces..the slow and aged players…by year 3 you won’t see much of those 40 players around. by the time it’s all said and done this team will look completely different by 2015. Don’t take rebuilding in a negative way..we started to rebuild the moment Idzik took the job as GM..This was a bad team..starting from the QB spot…And it’s not only players that are involved with the rebuilding process..it’s coaches..assistants..trainers too…and the beauty with rebuilding is that you get to manage your salary cap so you can build a winning franchise, Rebuilding:Definition of REBUILD;to restore to a previous state : to make extensive changes

  136. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 3, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I sure haven’t seen any post from you lately that praised me in the slightest but when I do, I’ll thank you for it. But don’t think that’ll stop me from calling you on BS the next time, that’s the fun of the site, it’s not some PC DC dinner at which we have to behave like stuffed-shirts. Take joeyd, for instance — I totally agree with your post here, joey, and agree with a lot of your posts on the story ahead of this. But I don’t agree at all about Rex, one of the reasons Idzik’s bolder moves are so necessary is because of so many of the huge mistakes that Rex made, sticking with “Mark” so long and so absurdly maybe being the biggest. Back to rebuilding, scjoe, I’ll let Allan’s post on that speak for me, he sums it up perfectly.

  137. By scjoe on May 3, 2013 | Reply

    Alan O’ Dane, the way you described “rebuilding” you could be describing ANY NFL team any off season. No, I am not portraying it as negative, although certain others would love nothing better then paint me in to that spot. I like to look at it as the norm as opposed to rebuilding, that is why I asked the question about the average roster turnover of ANY given NFL team every year. That is how the league is designed, given the draft, free agency, retirements, career ending injuries, etc. The NYJ are in the exact same circumstance as every other NFL team. If any one wants to classify it as “rebuilding” then the same can be said of ALL NFL teams to some extent.

  138. By scjoe on May 4, 2013 | Reply

    64, that post just happened to show up the next day, it is above, you may want to read it before you thank me!

  139. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Agrees with Rex That "Change Happens" on May 4, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, newly-crowned King of Semantics when nailed on his own hysteria. ‘What a bringdown,” as Cream once sang. Right, joe, we’re rebuilding in the same way that, say, KC, CHI, TB, SD, and HOU are. The line in Allan’s post I liked the post was the one about how in a few yrs almost none of the pre-Idzik guys will be here. That’s what I mean when I talk about how Ellis’ presence on the team doesn’t factor into the Richardson pick, Idzik clearly isn’t too worried about Hill, Cumberland, Bush, and Allen because he’s gonna draft his own guys at those positions next yr, just like he’s starting to replace the scouts with his own guys, and so on. But all that makes too much sense, so I shoulda known you’d find a way to spin it as inconsequential.

  140. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Empathic for the Easily Pleased on May 5, 2013 | Reply

    …and like I said here and on the story ahead, scjoe, many times when you have nothing to say in factual terms, you just post a purely personal attack. In this case, what you’re engaging in is called projection — a psychiatric concept that middle-school kids are familiar with these days — by claiming I’m primarily interested in being right. I’m interested in taking a break from work and saying whatever the heck I feel like about the Jets. And what I mostly feel like saying at the moment is that less than 4 months since Idzik was hired and less than 2 wks since the draft is way too early to start making predictions. As I told you recently in another post, the actual magic number is 3, as in yrs for an NFL exec or player to show results.

  141. By scjoe on May 5, 2013 | Reply

    64, call me illogical, delusional, a failure in making “specific distinctions,” call me all of those things (which you do) Oh yea, you already explained to me that you are only “joking” and that if I can’t take a “joke” you will direct them towards someone else. Well, likewise sir! That said, your quote about how certain players will be gone in “a couple of years” under Idzik, well my response to that ridicules statement would be duh! I can say the same for EVERY single team bar NONE, so, exactly what is your point? I still ask for something extraordinary so that maybe, just maybe, I can see what you see.

  142. By scjoe on May 5, 2013 | Reply

    64, I am not a mathematician, nor do I claim to be, but with the “average” NFL team getting anywhere between 7-10 draft picks a year, and about 3-5 FA signings a year that equals out to a turnover somewhere around 10 -15 players, correct? About what the Jets (and many other teams had this off season) So, please, with out quoting any writer, book, song, or philosopher, which some may find amusing, tell me how the NYJ “rebuilding” is that much different then any other team. Are the numbers above way out of line?

  143. By jorge ospina on May 5, 2013 | Reply

    why did we passed on C. Washington he was there in the 6th round and had a 3rd round grade anyone?????????

  144. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Bringin' the Bad News on May 6, 2013 | Reply

    First of all, scjoe, I don’t primarily quote anyone to amuse others, I do it to amuse myself. But in this case I’ll quote Allan, whose great post about rebuilding I referrred you to. Argue with him for a while, I’ve put in enough hours watching you struggle to turn night into day. (Wilson’s gonna get the starting job over Milliner, right!) But I will say this: Based on the kind of contracts that Mr T gave out to, and the over-the-top raves that Rex made for, guys like Pouha, DeVito, Greene, and Keller, those mediocrities woulda been here forever in the absense of the Idzik hire. And if you don’t agree, just look back thru the many posts and sportswriters’ articles that called those guys “must-signs for the Jets…”

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