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For Geno Smith, the Playbook’s the Thing

Posted by Randy Lange on May 11, 2013 – 4:25 pm

Is Geno Smith a gymrat? Seems that way. But he’s definitely a bookworm.

The anecdotes continue to collect, like three-hole-punch pages slipping onto the rings of a playbook binder.

The one impressive predraft tale was told by ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer, who runs the Elite 11 passing camp pairing up top college quarterbacks with top high school QBs. The six college signalcallers last year each got a 90-page playbook three weeks before the start of the camp.

“Geno showed up, and on day one, he could’ve taught it,” Dilfer said. “He didn’t just know it. He owned it.”

Tale No. 2 is one that I observed on Thursday. Smith was literally the first rookie to come through the football entrance after noon to check in for this Jets rookie minicamp. He had some time to kill before he headed from the hallway to the locker room, so he opened up something — his playbook. And he was studying it.

Could that have been for show? I suppose so. But there weren’t any news cameras or reporters in the hallway, just a few Jets personnel. Maybe he took a few minutes to refresh his memory about a play or two because that’s who he is.

Then came these two practices Friday and today. They’re all rookies and first-year players, so be wary of the single anecdote, but Rex Ryan remembered one particular play that impressed him as a defensive coach and head coach. It was an adjustment that wasn’t in the playbook yet but Geno made a good anyway.

“One time when Geno was back there, we had a run called,” Ryan said. “With Marty [Mornhinweg], we all know how rare that is, especially when we’re in these no-pad days. But the run was called to the tight end, and the way the formation was set up the defense gave us a crazy look. The outside linebacker was lined up two removed and there was no edge [blocker] there.

“We don’t even have a checked play in. But Geno checked out of it anyway. Obviously he’s got some awareness.”

“I try not to make mental mistakes in practice,” Geno said this afternoon in the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center locker room. “I try to be sound in the huddle, to saying the cadence, to going out there with the proper footwork, the proper depth on my drops and doing my reads. I’m trying not to make mental mistakes.”

Mornhinweg, the OC, and QBs coach David Lee, Smith said, “do a great job of allowing us to improve. I’ve got a long way to go, I know that. We all do. I think that goes for every single rookie that comes into the NFL, every single quarterback — probably the toughest position in the league. So there’s a lot on my plate. It’s just about how you handle it. I’ve been doing my best to just study my playbook, stay up late, come in here early, do all the things necessary to be a good quarterback.”

Rex Cetera

Ryan has stressed twice the better second offensive line that’s lining up now. With draft picks Brian Winters, Oday Aboushi and William Campbell and free agent All-America C Dalton Freeman, Ryan said, “It’s a good-looking group, there’s no doubt. That’s impressive to me.”

The dark-horse candidate is Will Campbell, the Michigan DT who’s lining up at guard. “He’s the kid that really intrigues me,” Rex said. “Mike Devlin’s an outstanding coach, but I’m surprised Campbell’s not making mistakes. He seems like he’s been doing it his whole life.”

Ryan gave passing praise to first-round D-lineman Sheldon Richardson again, free-agent LB Troy Davis out of Central Florida. And he did not name one defender who missed his turn on a play. “The defense was so good, they decided to line up with 10 today,” the coach said. “I can never figure that out. If I’m [on the field], I’m going to know where I am on the depth chart.”


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176 Responses to “For Geno Smith, the Playbook’s the Thing”

  1. By RONBO on May 11, 2013 | Reply

    Like S.C.Joe i dont want to comment to much on rookie mini-camps but so far you have to like what were hearing about Gino’s approach.What were reading here is a far cry from whats been portrayed about this kid.We can only hope he stays on the right track and becomes the leader this team so desperately needs.

  2. By IRA on May 11, 2013 | Reply

    I like what I am hearing form these first two days of Geno’s play. Can’t wait to see how he responds when the veterans show up. My gut Geno will be the starter sooner than later. Heard he checked out of a play and ran with the ball something I have not seen from a Jet QB probably since Lucas or Bollinger. I think Geno is going to be a special player it will take time but that’s part of the rebuilding program.
    Glad Randy wrote about Dilfer because everybody knew the story but its funny how nobody else talked or wrote about it. I think the media wants him to fail.
    GO JETS!!!!

  3. By TONY GARCIA on May 11, 2013 | Reply

    JET fan since 1969 .like the mix of rookies and vets especially running back.
    Time will tell if were moving in right direction.

  4. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Dwells in Reality on May 11, 2013 | Reply

    Please don’t anyone try to tell me this is good coaching — or even that it makes a lick of sense: “Ryan said he hasn’t spoken to DE/OLB Quinton Coples, whom he called out Friday for slacking off in the weight room. “No, shoot, let him stew,” Ryan said. “This kid, I expect so much from him that I don’t want him to ever have something where, if he’s not going full-out and it’s not to my expectations, why wouldn’t I tell him? I don’t care that Jets Nation knows it also.” That’s right, Rex, you don’t care as long as you can be the center of attention iby way of shooting off your mouth. I can’t wait till January of 2014 when you really have something to talk about.

  5. By Fran'scan on May 11, 2013 | Reply

    Nice words Randy. So tired of reading the NY beat writers try to bash GS before he even gets on the field and has a chance to compete. Oddly enough, NFL Network is showing the NYJ hard knocks year now and it was funny to listen to RR boast up and down about FB John Connor who isn’t even on the team anymore. Same fate will happen to Hayden Smith shortly. Still hoping we sign a vet TE and WR [Edwards or Lloyd]. One sad note – RIP George Sauer, Thanks for your contribution to our only championship.

  6. By kw65fan on May 12, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64 give it up already with Rex. Parcells was the same way in putting in extra ‘digs’ on LT and Simms thru the media. He didn’t go out and held their hands and tell them this what they should do. Rex is putting a bug in Q’s ear that he is going to be a main force on this Defense in rushing the QB and wants him to work hard at it like LT did. Not saying he will be next LT (would love it though) but to just get the importance he will be to the defense. So whether its in the weight room or on the field…he needs him to be going 110% at all times and show that commitment.

  7. By scjoe on May 12, 2013 | Reply

    Ron, well said. In spite of what a select few say, no Jet fan wants to see Smith fail, but if he does it will not be because of his physical or athletic ability, it will be because of his mental make up, that trait has led many before him who also had the physical and athletic ability to fail in this league. Factor in where he is playing, and it makes it that much more difficult, the NY press shows NO mercy. I sure hope he matures quickly.

  8. By scjoe on May 12, 2013 | Reply

    One more note on Geno Smith, had he choose not to leave that draft room, and had he choose not to react to the negative print by the press over the past few weeks, we would not be hearing a single word about his character. So, no matter how you dissect it, it is on him, and he has to make it right sooner rather then later, and from what I have seen and what I have read so far, he is beginning to do that.

  9. By K Shorts on May 12, 2013 | Reply

    Geno will be just fine!!!

  10. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Dwells in Reality on May 12, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, I quoted the Dilfer story, with the full quote about Smith at that camp, on this very site the day after we drafted him, and one poster thanked me for doing so. kw65, Rex’s absurdly personal, public criticism of Coples makes no sense, serves no purpose, resembles nothing Parcells ever did, and Parcells himself isn’t above criticism either since the latter yrs of his career in which he prefers talking to really committing to anything on a long-term basis. scjoe, only Hilary’s spinning on Benghazi can rival your spinning on Smith like above in your “I wasn’t rooting against him when I said he wouldn’t work out in New York but I’m staking my claim now to saying I was the first to say he wouldn’t if he doesn’t” post.

  11. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Dwells in Reality on May 12, 2013 | Reply

    In fact, scjoe, I’ll make you THIS prediction: If Smith ever leads us to a Super Bowl victory and you’re reminded of how you wrote him off less than twenty-four hours after we picked him for some bizarre reason that seems to have had something to do with your kneejerk oppositional preference for Mr T over Idzik, you’ll say, ‘WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE AT THIS POINT?!?!?!?”

  12. By SCfromNY on May 12, 2013 | Reply

    I think the mental aspect of Smith has been overblown due to Sanchez. The media has seen a Jet QB who had no leasdership, sulked, and showed no fire, (I’ll check my mistakes and I have to play better). So they are prejudging Smith. Just like everyone is looking for the next LT they are also expecting the next Sanchez. Time will tell. With the Jets I always hope for the best but it rarely happens.

    BTW, lately a lot of fans are talking about the defeat by the Steelers in the AFC Championship game. I put it on Rex. They were so hyped up after beating NE, thinking that was the SB they came out flat and fell too far behind. It’s the coaches job to keep team focused.

  13. By IRA on May 12, 2013 | Reply

    Fran,
    Sauer was way more than just a contribution to the Jets SB Title you can argue he should have won the MVP. Plus he was as good as Maynard just was over shadowed by him. In matter of fact I always felt he had better hands than Maynard did and that is tough to say.
    Wonder when its all said and done if they end up finding a trade partner for Sanchez or they just release him?

  14. By danny on May 12, 2013 | Reply

    U said it perfect kw65 fan. Last yr when we drafted QC there was lots of talk about his work ethc in college and how his stats suffered from this. Rex is letting him know it’s not ok in the NFL and he better go 110 percent everyday because that’s what NY expects from him as a 1st rd pick and hopeful star of our Defense. There is big plans for this kid this yr so he needs to be working as hard as any other player on the team and anything less is unacceptable. QC is what 24yrs old he’s a kid so yes 64 he needs tough love and some discipline I agree with Rex and kw65

  15. By IRA on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Read Costello’s story in the NY Post today. He basically wrote after being around the Jets this week what myself and others have been saying about the Jets QB position for the upcoming season. Its a shame that Sanchez is where he is at right now. Just watched Hard Knocks last night and he was headed in the right direction. Too bad he took a slide back because of his play and other things the team did to him. He really needs to get a fresh start with another team.

  16. By wayne on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    The QB has already impressed me with how the handled the hatchet….Poise. Something MS at no point displayed in his time with Jets……He will have the prove himself on the field, but for sure with what he’s done so far off it……I would still like to see 2-14…..Not enough talent on this team to go anywhere….D should be good enough to keep scores reasonable enough to get the fundamentalistics thinkiing irrationally…….I say Rex is getting the year to show he can do something different from what he used to do……More outburst like that Baltimore foolishness and he’ll make the decision an easy one………I ,for one, like that they are blowing it up, and since I don’t own a psl, I can be patient..

  17. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Cautiously Optimistic on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    danny, “tough love” as practiced by even the most dysfunctional families takes place in the home, not in public. Rex’s form of tough love, calling out players publicly like he similarly did to no point with McKnight in his rookie yr and Kerley last yr, is just the flip side of his self-serving, counter-productive public boasts. Ira, Sanchez didn’t benefit from a lot of Rex’s lesser ideas (MOST OBVIOUSLY THE WILDCAT!) but he’s also made almost no progress on some of the most basic aspects of the pro QB skill set — reads, pocket presence, accuracy, and of course protecting the football. He obviously needs to be somewhere other than in Green and White but I doubt he’ll ever be a starting QB in the NFL again.

  18. By RONBO on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    KW65 & DANNY, well said guys! This is the NFL which in many cases stands for “not for long!” The Giants just brought two highly touted F/A’s in for looks at their OTA’s D.E George Selvie who played with JPP in C.Fl. and Curry a OLB from Tx A&M. Both were studs in college with poor work habits and have to this point been busts in the NFL. This is probably their last chance and probably somthing Coples should be made aware of. The kid has great natural athletic ability.The key will be, how bad does he want it? If he starts off like he finished last year we will all be treated to a special player. I think being around guys like Mo Wilk and Q.Richardson,guys who bring it every day can only help him. if it doesn’t, he will be clearly exposed .

  19. By russ on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Media is not hoping Geno will fail but is withholding judgement, this is the JETS as you know, we have had more pretend Moses in our camp for so long who blieves anyone…That said media skepticism is a good thing it motivates….And we need that more than daily pep talks…I believe with Idzik Ryan will be secure enough to become a better coach, that too is optimisism but I think has merit..HGis umbilical cord to past Rav3en players has been broken so now he has Jet players and rookies to instill his team….

  20. By GaryC on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Just remember Geno fans,his actions at the draft were based on the unexpected,dropping in the draft,what happens on the football field if the unexpected happens,THERE WILL BE NO SULKING ON THE FIELD.

  21. By scjoe on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Fair enough 64, “if” Geno takes this team to the SB (and I mean Geno, not the defense) I will be the first to write right here on Randy’s blog that “as a long time, die hard, true NYJ fan I am extremely excited for Geno, for myself, for ALL the “real” NYJ fans (including those who have the man crushes on individual players and FO personnel) and for the NYJ organization” If you expected anything less then that 64, I pity you. Now, how about you, if Rex Ryan is declared coach of the year in the next year or two? Will you do one of your famous 180s?

  22. By steven on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    ZIP D Doo Dah on his passes today.
    Hope the rookie OL keeps the defense away.
    Hope they Let TE Stud Hayen Smith PLAY
    Now just need some receivers who can catch the ball SOME DAY

  23. By GaryC on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    JetfanTom,Scjoe brings up a fair point concerning Geno vis a vis Sanchez,who you never gave credit for any win in playoffs,will it work both ways,or I have a better question,when do we throw Newton under the bus for not getting his team to the playoffs,or will that be because the team he has around him.

  24. By Mike Jet Vet on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Again, I will point out the importance of weening a young Kid into the NFL rather then being forced, No matter what his demeanor, I’ll use Green Bay QB as a prime a example, working behind one of the very best ever, Ira,Ronbo,KW65.. even though we don’t agree on all facts, or opinions, pertaining Jets, it’s good to hear level headed thinking fair and balanced counter opinions to our comments..unlike a certain fanatic blaming, obsessing, on one person for destroying the whole ORG.. Hopefully you will influence him somewhat in the near future before he go’s totally off the deep end.. Go Jets

  25. By carolina jet fan on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Hey-JF Tom, Ira and any other posters who can”t help but being guardedly optomistic about this new regime in Jet Central , check out Crackback”s post @ Ganggreen Nation re: Sheldon Richardson. I posted after the draft that maybe Idzik sense’s a rebirth of the power and dominence we once had with Klecko and Co. hence the Richardson pick. I’m starting to get the coolaid ready for september.
    ,

  26. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    SCJoe, There a 3 kinds of people in the world 1 guys who can never admit when they are wrong about something 2 guys who once they figure out that they are wrong disapper (JOE CAPS) never to be heard from again & 3 Me (Tom Spicer) guys who when they see that they are wrong about something admit it, man up to it & then move on. The stuff with Tom 64 is getting boring put him in the category that you think that he is in drop it & move on!

  27. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    New Jets OC Marty Mornhinweg’s offenses have ranked in the top ten in yards-per-carry average eight times in Mornhinweg’s 13 seasons as an NFL head coach or offensive coordinator.
    The Jets are trying to get more athletic on the O-Line because Mornhinweg loves outside runs. “We’re putting in more perimeter runs which has been Marty’s thing, get some speed out there,” coach Rex Ryan explained. “… We’re pulling those guys and I think we are more athletic, especially at that guard spot.” New feature back Chris Ivory has plenty of speed to beat linebackers to the edge.

  28. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    According to the New York Post, the Jets are “smitten” with Geno Smith, and it’s “beginning to look more and more (likely)” he’ll win the starting job.
    Reporter Brian Costello came to his conclusion after talking to people “around the team” at rookie minicamp. Per Costello, Smith had “great zip” on throws and “held players’ only meetings at the team hotel” to dissect the playbook. Costello believes there’s a “sense around the Jets that they want Smith to win this thing,” and Mark Sanchez isn’t long for the roster.

  29. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    The New York Post believes Mark Sanchez will only make the Jets’ 53-man roster if “(David) Garrard gets injured and (Geno) Smith can’t figure out an NFL offense.”
    Reporter Brian Costello believes the Jets want Smith to win the starting job, and that Garrard will get the nod over Sanchez even if Smith “stumbles.” SI’s Peter King wouldn’t be “remotely surprised” if Sanchez is released before Week 1 under this scenario. There have been indications the Jets plan to keep Sanchez on the roster through the preseason, but it’s not because they consider him a realistic or desirable candidate for the starting job.

  30. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Guys its GENO not Gino!

  31. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Geno Smith did not just attend the rookie meeting. He put together the rookie meeting. He also stayed late after practice & worked with Marty M & QB coach David Lee. I also read for whatever reason rookie O lineman Cambell missed the rookie meeting & Geno worked with him individually afterwards on the stuff. I know guys are going to say so what but the bottom line is this you have to like what your are hearing so far!

  32. By IRA on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Tom,
    Not sure about that. I think depending on what team gets him and the system plus his desire will determine if he ever becomes a starter again. I think he can if the basics of playing QB get fixed and time is on his side still very young.

  33. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Cautiously Optimistic on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I’ll take a SB win with or without Rex but like I said on the story before this, no, I’ll never take back what I’ve said about Rex no matter what the team does. Long-time Jet fans of integrity have been thru this before with, for example, Walt Michaels, whose erratic behavior and character failings were obvious long before he imploded with a ludicrous post-game attack on Al Davis that revealed just how serious those flaws were. GaryC, I was optimistic about Sanchez thru 2 seasons but that PIT title game was huge and I said it at the time — 24-0 at the half and a typical deer-in-the-headlights perf from “Mark” in the biggest game of his career. It’s been all downhill for him since then and so has my assessment of him. Now he must go.

  34. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Cautiously Optimistic on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, I’m no longer too interested in any Newton-to-Sanchez comparisons because I’m no longer interested in Sanchez period because his days as a Jet are numbered. But I’ll admit it’ll be interesting to see what you’ll have to say if and when Newton is still starting for CAR and Sanchez is riding the bench somewhere on the way to an early retirement from the NFL, as I expect to be the case. Ira, I read the Costello story and a good title for it would be the other Costello’s “Clowntime is Over.” We probably won’t begin to know for a season or two if Smith is the answer but we already know Sanchez is not, so any scenario in which the distraction of his presence on the Jets is removed sooner than later works for me.

  35. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Cautiously Optimistic on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    For a few of you who say I never admit I’m wrong about anything, here’s an admission that just came out of my talk with Arte on the phone, which is the way the whole thing is supposed to work on this site too: We were talking about how Idzik isn’t likely to show much concern for anybody on this team that he didn’t pick other than a few blue-chip players. In that context, I said to Arte that while I think McKnight is one of the best KRs in the league and has been misused at RB on the Jets, he’s another who could be gone in September if we’re serious about Cribbs. Now, some may recall that a week or so ago I said I was against getting Cribbs because he’s “even less of a position player than McKnight.” And of course (continued)…

  36. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Cautiously Optimistic on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    …(cont.) and of course any move for Cribbs by the Jets had better be accompanied by the certainty that he’s healthy. But as soon as I said to Arte, “Cribbs was a beast and not just on kickoffs but also punts,” it occurred to me that what the Jets might have in mind is taking Kerley, who’s now established himself as the starting slot guy, off punts entirely and putting Cribbs on both kicks and punts. In that context, I’d probably be okay with McKnight leaving though I’d fear some HC who knows something about O would coach him up into a great RB. But once he’s gone he’s gone and speaking of that, I like the way Idzik seems more interested in Lloyd than Edwards, as Lloyd seems to have quite a bit more left in the tank.

  37. By SCfromNY on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    I was watching the NFL last night re-showing Hard Knocks and saw Sanchez fooling around catching difficult passes one handed. Maybe he could play a little receiver in his spare time. Since he hates to get hit perhaps he can get seperation.

    Newton is brought up a lot as a QB who doesn’t get to the playoffs and there appears to be many who consider this OK. I live in SC and unfortunately have seen many Panther games. IMO there are too many where his obvious ability overshadows his QB skill. All too often his stats come in the beginning of the game or when it too late. I want a “Montana” who 4 min left in a SB, losing, casually comes in and leads the team to victory. The team needs to beleive in the QB!

  38. By Tim on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Good for you GENO!!! CONTINUE these (3) things for your SUCCESS as a QB in the NFL, and in NYC.

    GENO
    ——-
    1. Work HARD!

    2. Stay HUMBLE!

    3. And stay out of TROUBLE!

    At MINIMUM (GENO), do all of these things and you more than likely, will have SUCCESS in NYC!

  39. By wayne on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Think i left out bout half the words intended in first posting…..I’d take it over a butt fumble any day….What i meant to say was, i am already impressed with the new QB……..With very little offensive support, the vets should take the brunt of the beatings early….Haven’t been here in quite some time, is Spicer still pining over MS? Not crying for a young dude clearing somewhere north of 40mil aftr tax………….. Like what i see of Idzik…..Have no doubts he’s in charge……Like it or not patience will be required…All you TBomb fanatics should understand why……..I’ll go back to holding my breath and waiting on the Rex Decision….As for this year, I hoping for lots a losses and many bad returns……….CLOWNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. By IRA on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Tom, I tend to agree Cribbs would be a good return man but I would still rather give McKnight one more shot in Marty Ball because I still believe if you can get him the ball in open space he could make big plays and lets face it I like the Ivory and Goodson signings but both have had injury problems. Say they keep 4 RB’s and 1 FB then McKnight should be safe if he shows he can fit in. But he will never be an every down RB he just doesn’t get it when it comes to blitz pu’s and other things.

  41. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Cautiously Optimistic on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    I’ll add another for Geno, Tim: 4. Eliminate the fumbles if you wanna stick around this team for very long, given what we’ve just been through at QB…

  42. By scjoe on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Tom Spicer, I have been trying to drop my ongoing debate with 64, but it seems something just keeps popping up on the other side that I just can’t ignore. As for your 3 kinds of people analogy? I agree, and I acknowledge the fact that you supported Sanchez through all those lean years and when it became apparent that he is not quite what you thought he would be, you went in a different direction. I respect loyalty, even if I don’t agree with the person showing it all of the time. As for Geno? I am in no way lumping him in with Sanchez, even though 64 is trying desperately to indicate I am. I just hope that “if” there is a maturity issue there, that he overcomes it asap! If not???

  43. By scjoe on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    There was an under the radar signing today that I liked very much, Brett Maher PK out of Nebraska. I think he has as much of a chance, or more, then any of the UDRFA signings to make the roster. This guy was a top 5 PK in all college football. He has a strong leg and he kicked in cold weather. Lets keep an eye on him.

  44. By scjoe on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    SCfromNY, that is a great point about the Jets coming up flat in that Steeler championship game after the NE playoff victory, and I agree with it, BUT, after you have played 18 games, and you find yourself in the championship game where the winner goes on to the SB and the loser goes home, no one, and I mean no one should have to motivate you, being in that spot should be motivation in itself.

  45. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Guardedly Optimistic Per Carolina Jet Fan on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks for the tip, carolina jet fan! Ira, you may be right about Sanchez, of course, but in some ways he’s quite old, as athletes age in ways other than chronological yrs. For one thing, a whole lot of people in the NFL think he’s a joke. For another, a whole lot of others think the way he was handled here — and I’m talking much more about the “win a SB now” push from Mr T and Rex than about the Wildcat, though the Wildcat was a ridiculous move, of course — think he’s unsalvageable. Most of all, though, QBs go thru the system faster these days in the NFL unless they have absolutely ALL the gifts and intangibles. MS never had those and what he mostly had is hype, so I won’t bet on him turning it around in any big way in the NFL.

  46. By scjoe on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Here is my problem with the NY sports writers. Quoting Brian Costello “You can tell from talking to people around the team during this weekend’s rookie mini-camp that many in the organization are smitten with new quarterback Geno Smith. It’s beginning to look more and more like the starting job is his to lose.”
    After 2 days of rookie mini camp, without a veteran within a mile of the practice field, this reporter proclaims that Geno will be the day 1 starter. Now, hopefully that is the case, but what does this writer say if Smith comes in 3 of 3 in the “real” QB competition? Why paint yourself in to a corner at this point in pre season?

  47. By since shea on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Easy does it guys. Some of you have already anointed Geno as the savior and talking about him getting us to the SB??? Why? Because he looks OK against UFA’s and other defensive rookies? Just remember that Geno might be getting a similar supporting cast as MS had. I have said it all along. Not even Brady could have succeeded with our O line and offensive skill position players from last year. Who is the right side of the O Line that the OC will do his edge running plays with? Who is the stud TE? WR’s? I havent even mentioned Safety or if Coples at 280 lbs can cover the edge as OLB. Dont expect a big change this year just because Geno is in and MS is out.

  48. By since shea on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Not a big deal at all but why did Idzik and company draft a full back (ok with the 7th round pick) when they resigned Hilliard for FB? Was it a throw away pick? Was it to promote “competition”? At FB? Do we have good enough competition for safety and TE and O Line? I was bummed out to hear today that the O lineman from Staten Island is not strong enough at all to be effective. If I didnt hear it from the former players on air at sirius NFL radio, I wouldnt really mind. Block, Run, Catch. The O Line is the start to making all that stuff happen. I am pulling for every guy we have on that O Line. Its our only hope to score points and yes, get a good start for the new QB.

  49. By danny on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    64 your rite maybe Rex could have kept what he said about Coples out of the publc BUT we aso don’t know if he has already and QC hasn’t gotten the message. I think this team needs more disclipline and maybe that s something Rex is starting to open his eyes too that he lacked in past seasons. I think your a lil hard on Rex because he does deserve this yr to show he has learned alot as a HC too. The man did some good things his first few seasons but I think we all know Tanny destroyed the team with ridiculous roster moves and mostly Tebow which Rex proved not playing him that he did not want on ths team. If Rex runs the Defese which he is best suited to do and leaves the Offense to MM with the young additions we can compete this yr

  50. By danny on May 13, 2013 | Reply

    Whoever talked about JOE CAPS leaving the site after being wrong over and over OMG thank god he’s gone. He s the reason i took a break I couldn’t listen to him tell us how he knows it all and knows everyone in the NFL so our opinions mean nothing only his. The man talked ppl down and at the time I wish I could get my hands on him so I had to get away from this site I enjoy so much. Thank God JOE CAPS the know it all who actually knew NOTHING is no longer on this site. Some ppl can be cocky on here but no one tries to belittle ppl like that man did and the things he said was obviously things he read onlne and pretended a former SB coach once told him or when he played with Walter Payton hahaha. Lets go GENO

  51. By DKM on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Oh boy, some harsh words there 64Tom for our Friend scjoe, but funny

  52. By DKM on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    I still like to reserve my praises or criticism for the new players, a rookie mini camp doesn’t tell the whole story, however I like Idziks demeanor and handling of this team very much there is certainly already an absolute different feel about this team, and I know there has been some noise from Rex but not as much as in recent years and it is clearly a prove of who is in charge of this team, Idzik clearly has absolutely NO problems to let thinks play out and be patient (recent case Revis), the QBs will get plenty of time to Show what they can do in pre or regular Season especially in the wake of the 2014 draft and the wealth of good quality QBs witch will be available. As I mentioned before this is a free year for him to right the Ship.

  53. By DKM on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    And it looks like Mr. Johnson does the right thing here and is staying away from this team and the Football People make the decisions.
    Another thing about Rex this is not as lame Duck as everybody makes it out to be the one thing he does not want be called for the rest of his career is a glorified HC with great defensive knowledge this is more or less a audition for him to keep this Job or for that matter any other HC Job down the road.
    Remember the NFL has tendency to burry guys even if they went to the PO’s or SB ( Billick, Fassel, Green).

  54. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Harpering on the 2014 QB Draft selection is senseless. Smith will be the QB of the JETS future. What you guys are not looking at are some of the wide receivers and TE’s that will also be available in the 2014 draft. My feelings are IDZIK along with Mr. M. for sure are looking at this already. I know I would be. They are going to groom Smith and mature him this year so when they bring in a couple of WR’s and a TE the JETS will be ready to compete for a SB. As for this year I am looking for a much improved running game and I believe this will not be a walk in the park for NE as much as the Jets, Miami and Buffalo have improved.

  55. By carl on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Diva My Butt!!Who Comes up With Crap!!! Sanchez is worse!Please! G.Q. Shots!! Go Geno! Just Go Faster Jets!!!

  56. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    I do not want Geno to be the starting QB for the Jets this year. I want him to sit & learn to be brought along slowly. Let Sanchez or Garrad start the season at QB once the team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs than let Geno start the last few games of the season. Just like the Giants did with Kurt Warner & Eli Manning. Then in 2014 in free agency & the draft load up on skill postions players WR’S & TE’S. This will put the kid in the best position to do well!

  57. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    ESPN’s Adam Schefter indicated on NFL Live that the Jets will look to trade Mark Sanchez before Week 1 if Geno Smith shows he’s ready to play as a rookie.
    “I think the Jets would love to see (Smith) grasp things right away, so that the Jets would be in a position where they could see if they could find a trade partner for Mark Sanchez down the line,” Schefter said. “Teams would be unwilling to take on the $8.25 million guaranteed in his contract, but there might be a team that’s willing to pay a small portion of it. To get some of that money off the Jets’ books. And the fact of the matter is, the Jets will go to camp with Sanchez. They’ll look to see at that point in time how Geno Smith fares.”

  58. By IRA on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    since shea,
    Don’t worry what you hear about Oday. He played for Virginia who has put out some very good OL and he is a fellow SI guy you can’t get on my boy.. I say he will become a solid starter by next year.
    GO JETS!!!!

  59. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    What do all of these QB’S have in common. Carson Palmer, Kolin Kaepernick, Drew Brees, Jay Cutler, Arron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Phil Rivers, Matt Schaub, Ben Roetheilsburger, Mike Vick & Tom Brady. All of these guys did not start as rookies. These guys all sat learned from the guy ahead of them, learned the offense, learned what it is to be a pro athelete, learned what its like to live in a new city all by themselves. I really think that this has helped all of them in there pro careers. While I think the Jets wil have a good D that will keep us in most games. I do not think we have the weapons on on to throw this kid to the wolves. We have Kerley & maybe no one else. Holmes they say may not be ready for the start of

  60. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    the season, we do not know what we have in Hill & we have no TE to speak of. We gave Sanchez no shot going into last season having no playmakers on that side of the ball lets not do the same to Geno Smith!

  61. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Brian Costello the Jets beat writer brought up a good point. Even if you think that last year was not Sanchez fault because he had no weapons at all around him to do well. At this point it does not matter because the fans have turned on him. In New York things that you have done in the past do not matter it is “what did you do for me today” Sanchez gets booed at his home games, most fans do not want him back at QB & I am 1 of the fans who say that most of the blame should not go on him. This is not basketball where 1 guys hogs the ball & dominates the game or baseball where your ace pitcher goes out there throws a shutout & you win. While Sanchez clearly played poorly he had no one to help him. Once Holmes went out he had Kerley & no 1 else

  62. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Kerley is a good NFL #3 I like him. But last year the Jets had no #1 WR, no #2 WR, a average at best RB (Greene) & no TE Keller missed like 10 games it was a lost year for him. Also MR.T giving him that contract did not help either. Anyway the fans have turned against him & the Jets know this. Thats why I think either Garrad or Geno will start this year.

  63. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Guardedly Optimistic Per Carolina Jet Fan on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, harsh words is what scjoe and MJV are best at lately when they can’t admit to what they’ve posted the day before. danny, we’d have to discuss discipline because I don’t find Rex’s version of it very smart or effective, in his own actions and statements he’s the least consistent HC the Jets have ever had. Ira, I didn’t say I want McKnight gone, I said I’m starting to see why they’d consider letting him go if Cribbs can do both KR and PR. And finally, scjoe, many times I’ve posted the “The only crazy things you can do are overreact and underreact” dictum. Those two things are what Cimini, O’Conner, Costello, etc. do for a living, consciously or unconsciously. When you know that, their nonsense on Smith or anyone else is easier to ignore.

  64. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Guardedly Optimistic Per Carolina Jet Fan on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    64 Frank, I like your post about next yr’s round of WRs and TE’s. Arte said the same thing when him and I were watching the draft. I never thought the Jets would pick a 175-lb WR first no matter what he did in college because we aren’t settled on who’s throwing to him yet. Even if Geno starts and Sanchez goes that doesn’t rule out picking another QB high next yr. Funny, some folks went crazy about the Jets changing receivers on MS every yr, now Idzik seems ready to do it differently — keep a basic WR and TE corps for now, then seriously grow that corps as the starting QB shows he deserves more weapons — and some of the same people complain. I suspect complaining, not building a team that can win long-term, is the thing they really enjoy.

  65. By scjoe on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, good point about Rex NOT being that lame duck coach some may think, and some may want. I think the 2 first round selections in the recent draft proves that. The “lame duck” is just another moniker created by the NY press for what reason God only knows. If John Idzik has the authority and the influence that he has been given credit for so far, why would he agree to retain Rex? If WJ knew this is the guy he wanted he certainly would have considered his opinion. I see Rex Ryan being retained next year no matter how this season plays out.

  66. By scjoe on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    64Frank, “judging” the 2013 draft picks either way (on their on field ability) is senseless. I commented above about a NY sportswriter who did just that after TWO rookie mini camp sessions. This is a process! A process that probably wont play out until midway through the season at the earliest. I would advise any Jet fan to “proceed with caution” right now, aside from 2 mini camp sessions (with no pads) they are all just names on paper, all have plenty of time to succeed or fail. That said, I do like the recent signing of rookie FA (PK) Brett Maher. I think he has a better chance of making this roster then most UDRFAs.

  67. By Dr. Frank on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Since Shea, I think the new FB Bohannon was drafted to be converted into an H-back. Someone who can catch the ball, run it a little, block either as a TE or RB. I don’t think it was a throw away. As for the rest of you guys, I think it’s a little early to anoint anyone as the starting QB. I think everyone there has a shot to make the team this year. It is supposed to be an open competition. The only reason I think the brass took Geno at 39 was that he was ranked on their board as the highest rated player left, to provide competition at the QB position. I still don’t think the Jets SB QB is on their roster. Even with the crappy play of Sanchez, especially the last 2 years, he may have a shot. Especially because of his salary.

  68. By Dr. Frank on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Remember, the Jets OL was Swiss Cheese last year and he was running for his life. I don’t even think Brady or Rodgers would have done well with that mess on the OL. The running game was also sub par and there were no good receivers. Sanchez excels when he has good players around him, so who knows with him at this point. By the way, never have been a Sanchez lover and did not want him drafted in 09. Didn’t want Geno this year either. Garrard could be the guy if he doesn’t get hurt, as he has a record of hanging on to the ball and not turning it over. I still would like to see a guy like McElroy get a legitimate shot, as he did win a national championship at QB, as well as Matt Simms. If Simms has any of his father’s talent, great!!

  69. By GaryC on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    JetFantom,here is one for you,you do admit you are wrong,remember,Lam Jones,as I said would catch more balls then Clowney,see,you were man enough and ate crow for that one.

  70. By Dr. Frank on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Who knows what type of QB will be the best in MM’s system. It could make MS better. It could make Geno the starter, or one of the other guys. I wanna wait until after the 3rd preseason game to see who will give us the best chance to win now and in the future. Remember, all these guys with the exception of Garrard, are still very young and capable of turning things around. How horrible would it be to see Sanchez released too early or Simms, McElroy, etc. and have them lead a different team to the Super Bowl….

  71. By GaryC on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    the mere mention of Joe Kapp[s] is sending chills up and down my spine,when Peyton his hero could not throw the ball down the field anymore they decided to bring in Welker so he can throw more dinks and dunks,that from a guy who said quarterback is the only thing that matters.

  72. By GaryC on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,I am no longer comparing Newton to Sanchez,more like Vince Young,Jamarcus Russell,Leaf,JUST ONE PLAYOFF WIN,JUST ONE for the so called Superman.

  73. By Mike Jet Vet on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, I kinda think MC knight is a dead issue by now, Don’t you? I believe I can count on both hands how many times he carried the ball in 4 seasons, Yes he has speed, yes he can return punts, His problem, he has to many, starting with sickness during OTA’s and training camp, trouble handling the ball, hand off more then 3 times in a row he go’s down, all while playing maybe 20% of the time.. We need to move on and stabilize the position, Many players out there with speed with far less drama to deal with,

  74. By RONBO on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Jet Fan Frank, Hold on a minuite bro! Who says Geno is our Q.B of the future? That very much remains to be seen. Yes, we all want him to earn that privaledge, but its way to early to annoint him as anything but one of the guys applying for the job at this point. DANNY, as annoying as JOE CAPPS could be its is below you to let him get under your skin enough to deprive us the pleasure of your company here! Like him or not he was actually right about a few things (no matter how annoying) and he certianly brought a different perspective to Randy’s Radar. it was funny how he only showed up here when Sanchez pulled one of his many blooper like adventures, but something tells me we havn’t heard the last from him yet? Could Geno be his new Sanchez.

  75. By scjoe on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Danny, like your logic re: Rex Ryan. I am a Ryan supporter, but I agree a certain degree of discipline needs to be injected, when needed. Also agree that none of us here know exactly what has transpired behind closed doors, we only comment on what we hear through the NY press, which “sometimes” just happens to get blown out of proportion. You also make a very valid point about Tebow being forced on Rex, and give credit to Rex for not falling in to that trap. I do feel for Tim Tebow, but can’t blame Rex Ryan for what he saw in practices and how he acted accordingly.

  76. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Guardedly Optimistic Per Carolina Jet Fan on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    I absolutely remember that one, GaryC, but that was back when I thought what Rex said was worth listening to. Do YOU remember Rex saying, “I’m the biggest David Clowney fan there is”? Do you remember Rex saying after the MIA game in 2010, “David Clowney did everything we could’ve asked of him tonight”? See, I thought with that kind of talk, Clowney might actually get the chance to play half as much as Jones did. Then again, I thought it meant something when Rex raved about Woodhead, then cut him about two days later. I thought it meant something when he couldn’t stop talking about how fast Allison was. I thought it meant something when he called Tracy Wilson “the hardest working guy on this team.” I though it meant something when…

  77. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Guardedly Optimistic Per Carolina Jet Fan on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, I admitted to THE BIGGEST thing a Jet fan could be wrong on since 2009 — Sanchez, who clearly doesn’t have the tools to excel in the NFL. As you can see, there are still folks on this site who are pretending that he does. “Letting go of Sanchez too early,” Dr. Frank? What do you need to see to know this guy doesn’t have it on all the key levels? “Excels with good players around him”? — wow, who WOULDN’T? About what NFL QB could you NOT say that about? Nope, you won’t be seeing any major comeback on the Jets by Sanchez or anywhere else, most likely just a slow, unremarkable exit from the league. Some folks, GaryC, are so afraid of “being wrong” — Jay Carney’s a good example — that they just keep saying the most ridiculous stuff.

  78. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Guardedly Optimistic Per Carolina Jet Fan on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    I’ll reprint a story I posted a few yrs ago, Dr. Frank, one that’s very relevant to all this excuse-making for Sanchez. Some yrs ago Oscar Robertson was asked if Michael Jordan was “the best ever.” Oscar shocked the questioner by saying, “The best EVER? He’s not even great yet!” The clueless questioner was baffled by this answer and asked The Big O how he could say such a thing. “You’re not great,” Oscar explained, “until you make everyone on your team better.” Then again, that’s Oscar talking — high school champion, college champion, Olympic champion, NBA champion — not Rex, who’s the champion of nothing more than running his mouth in public.

  79. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Guardedly Optimistic Per Carolina Jet Fan on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Hey scjoe, I can’t prove all this is entirely Idzik’s doing, of course, but I can say that given how Rex used to run his mouth and given the 2011 debacle at C, if this ain’t EXTRAordinary, it certainly ain’t ordinary for THIS team: “On Giants co-owner Steve Tisch telling TMZ that the Jets may have sabotaged Tim Tebow’s career: “No, I’ve got no reaction to that. I’m just excited about coaching my guys and moving forward with this football team.” On undrafted free agents that jumped out in minicamp: Ryan mentioned Tennessee WR Zach Rogers and Clemson C Dalton Freeman. “I was kind of shocked he wasn’t drafted,” Ryan said of Freeman.”

  80. By russ on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    When you start winning division titles you begin thinking Super Bowl, when you can’t do that youre just hoping to catch lightening in a bottle…a one year wonder..Is that what Jet Fans want another we were the champs once..and done? Maybe that is what NFL is a one and done league…

  81. By Mike Jet Vet on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    I promise you this , I want Geno to Succeed, better then that, hopefully he becomes the Next Brady, Payton, Or Favre, that would be music to my ears and eyes , Ok, now my point, If this kid gets trust into the starting role just because he’s athletic or for any other reason other then him winning the job I’ll not take seriously anything said by Idzik again, until he proves himself, Why you ask? I remember his sermon in front of us all stating in a presser,no one’s job is safe everybody will compete and win their job not be given it. Period

  82. By IRA on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Idzik spoke about Cribbs today and it sure appears they have interest in signing him. Thing is would he come to a team that is rebuilding or choose a playoff contender like the Giants. Its starting to look like McKnight’s days are over. They should have signed Woodhead he could have hanlded punts, kickoffs and contributed to the offense too.

  83. By scjoe on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    Dr Frank, the QB who is most accurate, able to make quick decisions, able to read defenses and check down when necessary, able to play smartly and eat the ball when necessary rather then throw the pick 6 or throw the INT down on the red zone, able to show leadership abilities and carry the team when need be, will be the one who best fits in to MM offense. Whether that QB is on the current roster remains to be seen.

  84. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    TIM, I like the way you said it: WORK HARD, STAY HUMBLE and STAY OUT OF TROUBLE… G. SMITH is already doing just that, in fact he did not let the media exploit him, instead he exploited the media. This kid from what I am reading about him has a photo-graphic memory when it comes to play-books and I see this kid doing just that with the play-book and working very hard to stay under the Center and build his game. Lets take a look at who is now helping him, Testerverde, Namath as well GARRARD can’t get much better then that. Like I said he is going to be groomed slowly. That I will reiterate what I said before, the 2014 draft will be built around G. SMITH. We have excellent veteran players on this team especially of Defense and I feel

  85. By since shea on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    IRA, I hope to God your feelings about Oday are right. We need that O Line to get fixed right. We need to pass block and run. I am pulling for Oday big time. I like when the local guys make a difference. #80 and #73 are my neighbors from town now who made a difference in their day but I was born and raised on SI. Went to New Dorp with a guy who went on to play for the Raiders. This site is awesome because of the passion that everyone has for our Jets. When we do win it all, somebody here has to organize a party.

  86. By bill on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    You know I get a little miffed with the anti-sanchez comments. He was a pretty good QB that got absolutely no help from the organization which has all but ignored offense for the last 2 seasons, and also no help from a team with terrible oline play and complete lack of skill players once Holmes went down. Of course Sanchez played poorly. Anyone would have failed the last two seasons with the Jets. I like Geno Smith and I hope he succeeds despite the ridiculous media, the ridiculous fan base and the recent history of ignoring offense. Unless the Jets start becoming more offense-centric, he’ll probably fail too. They had the worst offense in the league and they spent two 1’s on defense. Unbelievable. The draft was good it could have beengreat

  87. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    (Continued)
    we added strength to the defense with Richardson, Milliner and Campbell, and we have some undrafted defensive players that could fill in some holes. The Defense will be in the top 5 this year. We added weight and strength to the offensive line such as Winters, Aboushi and Bohanon who can also be used as a blocker, TE or groomed as a HB. As for a couple of the undrafted agents we got at least one WR in Rogers and Spadola, Shanahan, among a few OL and DL. Unlike a few in here I( do expect a winning team, even a playoff team. NE is not going to have as easy as they have had it for the past decade. This is going to be a hard hitting division with good competition this year. LETS GO JETS…

  88. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 14, 2013 | Reply

    I am looking forward to training camp starting in July….

  89. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Getting Down to What Is Really Wrong on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    (Name that tune and the artist suggested by the name I’ve used above — Hint: He shares the last name of a great former Giant RB.) Sounds like everyone’s settling into the boring kind of posts that nevertheless reflect the wise judgment that it’s time to see what these guys can do on the field, with the higher picks getting the usual 3 yrs or so to show if they’ve really got it and the lower picks and UFAs needing to make some noise right away. Well, I sleep just fine at night (as I’m about to do now after watching an old 1960 French movie with a slew of great-looking actresses in it), knowing that Sanchez HAS HAD his three yrs and largely GONE BACKWARDS! So I expect to see him eliminating himself from the QB competition fairly quickly…

  90. By Dr. Frank on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Jet Fan Since ’64 Tom, as I said, I am not a Sanchez lover. However, I still believe that no QB could have really been successful with the supporting cast given to them the last couple of years. Sanchez is only 26 years old, I think. Is he incapable of learning? I don’t know. He had a horrible OC last year. Schotty was also run out of town as he was not so wonderful. Matt Cavanaugh was a horrible QB coach. Maybe now that the dynamics have changed, MS may be able to improve on his game. I am not sure, but I think he deserves a last chance at training camp this year. If there are no BIG changes, out the door he goes.

  91. By Mike Jet Vet on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Jet Fan Frank, I feel the same way, Whether we win or not we will compete, to win not wait until 2014 and beyond, I don’t believe in this wait until next year like a certain few here, Resembles idiotic statements like our coach is the most inconsistent we’ve ever had, has accomplished absolutely nothing, Yet he has won a SB with Ravens, brought us to back to back AFC Championships, This is why I say they’re totally irreverent and bias based comments. and should be dismissed as nonsense NFL is a now or never league, to much at stake with Hugh contracts, PSL’s New stadiums, Etc, not to be, GO Jets

  92. By IRA on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    since shea,
    That was Mike Siani. Funny story i was on a show with him and he told us that he was working at a golf course so he could get medical insurance because the NFL still hasn’t helped out the players from his playing days. That was very sad.

  93. By DKM on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Dr. Frank I admire your passion for the underdog to succeed, but if they really thought Simms, McElroy, would be the guy to take the Job then we wouldn’t have signed Gerrad the Vet as a security Blanket lets face it that’s all he is at this Point, held on to MS, who has clearly proven he is not the QB for this Team and in my opinion after 4 years rooting for him will be at best a QB assistant Coach in this League at most not even a Backup or drafted GS who will get plenty of time to prove he is the guy under the watchful eye of his mentor Gerrad and Idzik.
    In other words come time there will be only three if not only two QB’s on the roster come opening day and neither will be named Simms, McElroy or even Sanchez

  94. By DKM on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    And also for the rest of YOU and you know whom i’m talking about who believe Sanchez or for that matter any of the other QB’s on the Jets roster could be CUT to early and go on to another Team and win a SB are just ludicrous. What is you fear that the Raiders, Cards, KC, or the Eagles pick any of these guys up and build a winner over night, ( with the right CAST around them remember that’s what you claiming), you got some serious issues, and need to go have a check done before you post this Stuff here.

  95. By DKM on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    bill good for you Sanchez was a pretty good QB for 2 years and that’s exactly what that is, so was Testaverde, Todd, Pennington etc. for periods of time and then we moved on.

  96. By DKM on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    MJV he was a member and DC of a SB winning Team there is difference.

  97. By RONBO on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    SPICER, your above post are some of your best ever! great job Your thoughts on allowing Geno to develope before throwing him to the wolves,as well as your analysis of the lack of talent on the O side of the ball is spot on too! IRA, as much as you want the local kid Oday (like you also from S.I. I have a feeling he will disappoint most here.All of the scouting reports on him are so-so at best.The fact that he lacks strength after 4 years of college football (Va. has one of the best training facilities)tells me he has not committed himself enough to his craft.He will likely be a late cut who may wind up on the practice squad.I belive Cambell who played D at Mich. and was drafted later will likely pass him on the depth chart before long.Sorry

  98. By Dr. Frank on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, I appreciate the reply. I just don’t know how they can make a QB decision based solely on practice. These “underdogs” as you call them, need to be given at least a half of a preseason game each, if not more, to see what they can do. I think it was a mistake last year to not even try Tebow at QB. Everyone knew coming in that he doesn’t practice well. He did win in college and in Denver. Although I never thought he would be a superbowl quality QB, he may have been able to win some games. Not a big Tebow fan. Worst case, I think he wouldn’t have committed as many turnovers as Sanchez. At least teams would have feared his running ability, which could have opened up a pass or two. That’s what happened in Denver. McElroy also won

  99. By Dr. Frank on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    a national championship in college, albeit with a great cast of players around him. I think he is a guy who would thrive in a WC offense. He is smart and doesn’t seem to buckle under pressure like MS. Sort of a Pennington type guy. Again, maybe not a great QB, but good if given a chance. Who knows about Simms. I saw him in mini camp last year and he looked pretty good. Has a live arm and if he has any of his father’s smarts and ability, I think he might have a big upside. He appears to be the most “prototypical” NFL QB that they have, more like a Brady or Brees, even a Rodgers, that they currently have on the roster. Again, they don’t have any superstars at QB on their roster right now. I don’t even think Geno will be one.

  100. By RONBO on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    S.C.Joe, even though we somtimes disagree (like you continued mystifying fascination that Rex Ryan has even the sleightest clue what he’s doing?LOL) (which completely boggles my mind!) I have to point out that if you are not the absoloute best poster here, you are at least in the top three! I know that will ruffle a few feathers here (which is not my intention)but if anyone here really reads your posts (objectively) they should agree you consistently make interesting,relevent points and back them up with facts. I’m gonna be away a few days and will miss the gang here so keep up the good work. And tell 64 I said to behave himself!

  101. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    The cleaning house has begun I just read Scott Cohen (MR.T’S right hand man) & Ari Nassim are on the way out.

  102. By wayne on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    I had prob with MS from the beginning, was why he was given moniker, GQ….Photoshots and airbrushing told me his head was in wrong place. Which cause me to label him Matt Leinart II. Begged on this site for comp for him, can still remember stating “that the kid get into work early” to wit i responded that i know plenty of guys who get early and do nothing all day long…..Now after the fact we hear that he jaked it….duh….even a blind man could see that….just like me telling blind jetaholics here that Jets didn’t get help for MS because they were in cap hell…..The there were the T-Bomb worshipers…Predicted b4 pick that they might take QB 2nd…And if so, Clowney will be goal…..

  103. By Mike Jet Vet on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    DMK he brought us back to back AFC games, best of any coach no matter what you believe its a Fact not fiction,and yes HE was a member and HC of the NYJ at the time. like Tom64 you can spin it any way you want fact remains the same,

  104. By wayne on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    But, not to worry, y’all should hear Philly fundamentalists carry on about Matt Barkley. Another primadonna QB from hollywood U….The 3 M’s. The next QB outta USC with a first initial other than M might be good……Matt-Mark-Matt…..In Philly they think Barkley is the 2nd coming of Joe Montana….So be thankful…Philly fans didn’t want Geno..That’s how u know he’s gonna be good….Just one more “student” to promote the heck outta town. And he’s got one year to prove he can change his spots…..Im bettin he can’t..Not with all the cryin’…..The New York football Jets want Mr. Clowney….. They don’t want no more QBs. They got one. I know it’s hard for some of you the see thru all that losin’…………2-14 or bust!!!!!.

  105. By kw65fan on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Father Ronbo has spoken…and is leaving for a bit…YEAH..!!!

  106. By RONBO on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, Ootstanding job above!You nailed it 100% Please allow me to elaborate;
    1-Sanchez,being the incumbent may buy him some time as he is still a Rex favorite 7 I believe rex will give him 1 last chance to succeed.Pronoses; he is simply too shell shocked to make it in N.Y. He may start the first few games but will collapse quickly.
    2-Garrard,will likely be the early winner but suffer another injury.The guy plays hard and simply cant take care of his body.
    Geno,obviously has the highest upside as possibly the most athletic Q.b in jet history.Not sure that is saying alot as we have never had any michael Vic’s or r.g.III’s.

  107. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    To further back up my point about Sanchez chances last year & why I do not want Geno startin this year. I have a question for all of you. Who on the Jet offense scares anyone? Who on the Jet O would you consider a dynamic play maker? Who on the Jet O is a guy who is a threat to score a TD anytime he touches the ball? I will give you the answer to all these questions the answer is NO ONE! Again while the D looks like it can be very good & keep us in most games. Do we want to do the same thing to Geno Smith that we did to Mark Sanchez? No I dont think we do let this kid sit & learn. We have a good D this draft we really focused on the O line. Next year in free agency & the draft lets focus on play makers on O. Then play Geno when he has the

  108. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    guys around him to do well. Put him in there this year with no one to throw to & you can kill his career by doing that!

  109. By RONBO on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Cont.- if properly handled, Geno may prove the long term answere but its simply way too early to predict at this time. At some point in this season he needs to start to see if he has to goods to be the man! If not we need to look at the 2014 draft for the next answere.
    4-MacElroy, Simply does not have the arm to succeed in todays NFL. The 11 sack game was a debacle that he had a major impact in as he looked like a deere in the headlights! Now some will say it was the o.l’s fault but in no other game were there more than 3 sacks. And according to pro football weekly’s rankings the entire Jet line from last year graded out no worse than middle of the pack.
    5-Simms, no shot! could wind up on the practice squad?

  110. By scjoe on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Ok, I hear ya Ron. But just for the record, it is not so much a
    “fascination” with Rex Ryan, it is more of a “you know what you have, you don’t know what you will get!” analogy. Aside from his lack of input in the offense in general, he has a real good defensive mind, add that to him having a “real” OC for a change and I feel pretty good about it. If not? Then they move on. Like everything else surrounding this franchise, time will tell. Have a nice trip.

  111. By bill on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Well I don’t mean to be a Sanchez apologist, lord knows he’s frustrated me to no end. But let’s keep in mind that the offensive problems were systemic in nature and started from the ground up. Sanchez was a part of the problem, as was just about everyone in involved .

    I do think it’s over for Sanchez in NY and it will be difficult for him to regain his old confidence anywhere much less here.

    I am frustrated with the Jets constantly treating offense as an afterthought and feel bad for whoever ends up under center. Certainly Geno Smith has an uphill battle. It’s bad enough being a rookie, but being one in NY and on a team that rates offense slightly above the team breakfast menu in terms of importance makes it that much more difficult.

  112. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Getting Down to What Is Really Wrong on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Here’s what Walker says about Idzik’s continuing unexceptional leadership of this franchise, scjoe. I guess you figure that just anybody woulda done all this: “Changes to New York’s front office should not come as a surprise. First-year general manager John Idzik has made an immediate impact since joining the Jets. He started by cutting overpaid veterans to get under the salary cap. Then, Idzik made two major decisions: he traded star cornerback Darrelle Revis and cut popular backup quarterback Tim Tebow. Remaking the front office now is Idzik’s next focus.’ Actually, even the idea of havnig a clear focus is pretty extraordinary for the Jets FO compared to the last few yrs. Under Mr. T, we couldn’t even focus on getting a backup C.

  113. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Getting Down to What Is Really Wrong on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    I’ll admit to this bias, MJV: I’m hugely biased in favor of smart moves to build a dynasty, not drooling sentimentally over people who’ve had enough time to make the grade and haven’t done so.

  114. By Mike Jet Vet on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, great point, 1st I’ve heard, on the subject, what these kids of today get financially , at beginning through out and retirement for their respective careers, I believe old timers are do some compensation, for if not for them leading the way sacrificing life and limb, proven by the many who’ve passed at a very young age they made not have all these opportunity they have today. Say the work I’m down for a lobby for some sort of restitution for the living greats..

  115. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Free of All Illusions on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, just like I posted Dilfer’s praise for Smith the minute it ran — a day after we drafted Smith — on the day Wooden left for SD, I predicted Cohen would be next to go. For those sentimentally inclined to buy into bizarre notions like Sanchez blossoming under MM or Rex getting the benefit of the doubt from Idzik, losing Cohen is just a sign of what’s to come. I guess some of you guys haven’t dealt much or too directly with the corporate world, in which lying to the press or to a co-worker’s face and then doing what you were gonna do all along often earns you the corner office. I don’t approve of it and I don’t do it myself, but I have no illusions about the folks who live in that world and what they’ll do to put their stamp on an org.

  116. By scjoe on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    64, this is just rhetorical at this point, but anyway, I will just stand by my position no matter what Walker’s opinion is. Yes, I do believe that any GM who would have been WJs choice would have released Scott, Pace and Pouha, the salary cap demanded that. It was a necessity. Revis? That came exclusively from the top, so yes again, I think anyone who got the position would have done the exact same thing. In conclusion, with out beating that dead horse to much more, I will say what Idzik has done to date is “solid” NOT extraordinary. If you think that is a derogatory statement directed at “anyone” you would be wrong.

  117. By Dr. Frank on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Listen, again I will say that I am not really a fan of any of the QB’s on our roster, however, there is so much unknown with all of them right now. Why not give all of them a legitimate shot at making the team and carefully evaluating all of them?? Then, once the 3rd preseason game is done, cut/trade/practice squad the two that are not on the 53 man roster. What does that hurt? Many of you will say that it will take reps away from Geno during preseason. IMO, he should not start the season and only play this year if someone fails or gets injured. He needs to learn! Maybe throwing Sanchez in his rookie year has hurt his development?? IDK, but the Jets QB coach was bad, last 2 OC’s were not great, no explosive talent on offense, no OL,

  118. By Dr. Frank on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    a HC who doesn’t know much about offense, a dysfunction front office, etc… You want to throw a rookie into the QB position while all of this has yet to be corrected?? Izdik seems to be working hard to correct what he can right now, but I don’t think we have the same situation with the NYJ that R. Wilson had in Seattle. Use a veteran QB for this season, or most of it, and let Geno learn before throwing him to the wolves. It will also decrease his chance at injury if the OL play does not improve (which it should). I don’t think you can evaluate the talent of a QB when he is constantly taking hits and running for his life. At least Geno has some running ability if that happens, lol! Yes, Sanchez turns the ball over. That is a problem.

  119. By Dr. Frank on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    weren’t making so much money, they would concentrate much better on their jobs, like the rest of us!! These guys are so lucky, they don’t have to worry about where their next dollar is coming from. I yearn for the old days when you actually had to produce to get paid big money. Also, remember the old days when a rookie QB had to wait patiently behind the grizzled veteran for some playing time. Many had to sit 5 years or more before they got a chance to play, an apprenticeship so to speak. In my field, we do internships, residencies and sometimes fellowships before we go out in private practice or get a professorship in a large hospital. Why shouldn’t these young guys do the same sort of thing to benefit? It would make a better QB!!

  120. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Free of All Illusions on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I just have to point this out to you, as much for your own good as for the good of the Jets: You often ask in agonized tones, “What GUARANTEE is there…?,” etc. Today you say of firing Rex, “You know what you have, you don’t know what you will get!” This is called fear-based thinking and you know what? It doesn’t work anywhere, not in love, not in war, not in football, and not anywhere else in life. Luckily for us Jet fans, Idzik doesn’t seem to have much use for it. Neither does MM, whose statement about how the number of snaps per QB will be determined by how the QBs did with their snaps the day before was one of the biggest breaths of fresh air since he and Idzik were hired.

  121. By Mike Jet Vet on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    I feel for Garrard I really wanted him to compete for the QB spot.. Garrard couldn’t even make OTA’s mini camp let alone camp or preseason,, Wondering if Idzik paid attention to a small thing called a Psychical before picking up some of these FA’s he brought on board being this is GM 101 .. I Guess that should be his 1st stamp on this team right 64, myself scjoe and a few others have tried to send home the fact picking up injury prone players isn’t the way, as a certain some one keeps trying to drill into every ones head calling it REBUILDING, We now have to worry about players like Colon, Oday, Goodman, Ivory, even making it to and beyond Camp, this in a certain some is GM genius at it’s best….

  122. By IRA on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    This Garrard news is not a good thing for this team. It really puts a monkey wrench in what I believe they wanted to do. Now this will become very interesting do they keep a short list on other veterans after June 1st and through camp or do they go with Mark,Geno and McElroy? Have to wait till camp but this is now the same deal the Seahawks had last summer. So I give the edge to Mark early but there are no guarantees how long he keeps the starting job.

  123. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Free of All Illusions on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    For those who are rooting for Sanchez — and you can “include me out,” as Harry Cohn once said, of that number — Garrard retiring is the best thing that coulda happened to him. Picking up a vet QB in the Brunell/Garrard mold is about the cheapest, easiest thing to do and I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Jets do it if they really don’t want any PR distractions by way of MS on the roster. But if we only keep, say, Smith, MS, and McElroy, paying MS his outrageous amount of money to actually be the vet back-up who can prove he deserves to be the starter makes slightly more sense. Of course, MS would still be wiser to offer to take less $ to stick with the team, which might endear him to some of those who booed him at the Knick game.

  124. By Mike Jet Vet on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Tom64 I seem to remember you calling Dilfer less then average QB when I brought up the fact he won a SB and just short of calling his a hack on his broadcasting, now he makes a positive remark about Idizk moves and suddenly he’s a genius LOL

  125. By kw65fan on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Down to four…maybe bring back Tebow….yea right. No other vet QB out there..can Vinny t. get around. Oh well…looks like Sanchez, Geno and Mac. Boy I wish Mac comes in with blazing guns. Might as well bite the bullet and Geno is going to start. he better get going with all the studying unless somebody got a brain transplant and comes in like Superman…Uggh..another Superman movie no less in a couple of weeks. When will it end.

  126. By wayne on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Just the way I wanted it to work out….Mr Sanchez will remain a Jet…..And playout his contract…..He will earn his 8.25m, good for hi….Ensuring that 2-14….The Jets are going to do better by happenstance that they could ever do trying…Who says Geno is the QB of the future? The team that drafted him….Obviously some of you are having trouble determining which team that might be…….Are some of you still on the McElroy train? I don’t believe owner wants Rex to go, but I do not believe Rex is capable of changing, but for brief moments………. Then reverts. He is incapable of being anything but what he is….AND THAT’S NOT AN IDZIK TYPE MAN. If Idzik’s comes up gold on his moves, owner will roll with him.

  127. By Charliejet on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Garrard gone- I swear this team is scripted.

  128. By wayne on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    You bet Idzik doesn’t want to change Rex…..hehehehe……The the GM already knows why he wants Rex gone……Why would he want to change that argument now?………………………………..Ira, there were good coaches around before Rex and there’ll be good ones after him. Calling out Coples is Rex trying something new. What he shoulda done with MS and many others on that team long b4 now. It’s out of character for him, but he is trying. First sign for me that things have changed on this team is if they all shut the bleep up…..I’ve been exorcises. I think I’ll go back into my hole…..Have a good summer boys………

  129. By since shea on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Garrard is retiring. That leaves MS as the only QB with any experience. CAP hit aside, can we realistically trade him now? How can we start the year with McElroy as our “veteran” QB??? We have to pay MS anyway, let him battle with Geno. Who knows, maybe he goes half a season like Warner did before giving way to Eli. I still want to see a strong O Line and a stud TE (not Hayden please, he is just a good story). If we get those pieces and if MM can be an effective OC who will capitalize on player strengths, we just might be surprised with a decent offense no matter who is QB. Now how is that for optimism?

  130. By scjoe on May 15, 2013 | Reply

    Well 64, in light of the recent news story re: David Garrard’s retirement, what do you think of that signing in retrospect? Don’t you think there should have been a little more research done on the injury? What happens now with that “genuine” QB competition we were all looking forward to? It is now just the fumbling incumbent, a couple of journeyman, and a rookie with a few question marks running up the rear. Talk about busting everyone’s bubble!

  131. By punchie on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    This team has not been the same since brad smith left. That guy elevated the level of play for so many players in so many positions , QB , RB , WR , TE, The guy was an amazing thlete and we let him go and a 3rd round pick so that we could have The god botherer Tim Tboned who was said to be the son of the football gods. We also need T Rich back so that he can relay the plays and manage the game clock.

  132. By IRA on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    I would think they will keep a close eye on the June 1st cuts for QB’s and through the summer. Batch,Leftwhich, and Young i don’t care for any of them. I would though sign Edwards now since he is familar with MM’s system and at least they would have another QB for now who has played and they can only hope Geno gets it real fast. Maybe this is a huge break for Sanchez but i find it hard to believe they want to go down that road again.

  133. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Mike Jet Vet thanks for wanting to win in 2013. I feel we should and I believe we will compete. Their are 3 divisions I feel are going to be ver4y competitive in 2013: The AFC East, NFC West and The NFC East others will be much improved and be competing for the play-offs. It is amazing to me how everyone feels Rex Ryan will fail this year. People get a look at the big picture. REX RYAN is the HC, I am not a big fan of RR as an offensive coach, but I am as a defensive coach which RR will be running. Mr. M. and IDZIK will have the say so on the Offense, proof of that is the offensive players they brought in (including the undrafted free agents and some of the moves they have already made. NOW, lets suppose the JETS have a winning

  134. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    season (which I believe they will) which means RR will be here past the 2014 season. All this talk about drafting a QB next year (which is not going to happen) is wishful thinking. Talk about being judgmental about GS in here is all I see. Get use to GS, he is going to be groomed by several of the best QB’s such as Namath, Testerverde, Garrard and Pennington is already giving him tips to compete. Mr. M has him working under the center and GS himself is smart, quick on his feet and will know the playbook inside and out. I do not expect GS to start right away, but I do believe Garrard will. Noone can deny we have brought in some good offensive players, Ivory, Garrard, Goodson, Aboushi, Bohanan, Campbell, Freeman this is improvement on

  135. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Continued— the offense, we now have to top notch RB, IDZIC added a back up center who can also be used else where, he brought in Campbell and Aboushi and there is a few UFA that could make the team. We also improved the Defense, do I believe Milner will compete, yes I do, not only will he compete, witrh his speed and agility will be one of the best in the NFL, Richardson. I can go on, but I feel I said enough. We are going to give NE a run at the AFC East title along with a much improved Miami and Buffalo… So yes… I expect a winning team this year… LETS GO JETS.

  136. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    “Jets OC Marty Mornhinweg says he’s looking for a running back who can “make people miss (and) get the extra yard.” Mornhinweg is describing Chris Ivory to a T, who has the elusiveness to get around the edge, and power to break tackles once he gets there. The Jets are clearly excited about their new feature runner, but Ivory could spoil the party if he fails to stay healthy, which he’s often done.” If this guys stays healthy he could be a steal for a 4th round pick!

  137. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    OC Marty Mornhinweg insists the Jets are having a “bona fide quarterback competition.” “I am hoping that somebody will rise to the top quicker rather than later,” Mornhinweg said on a conference call with season-ticket holders. “I’ve spent quite a little bit of time just figuring out the exact reps for each player and that will be dictated on how they’ve done in the prior practice or practices as well.”

  138. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    “Jets DC Dennis Thurman reiterated Wednesday that Quinton Coples will be used as a stand-up edge rusher this season. “QC will play with his hand in the dirt stand up,” Thurman said. “We wouldn’t do it if Quinton didn’t have the ability to handle it.” Coples was used as a more traditional left end last season, but is being relied on to get after the passer after the Jets used the No. 13 pick on Sheldon Richardson. A towering 6-foot-6, 284 pounds, Coples should shed some weight, but is still going to be enormous for a linebacker”

  139. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Jets DC Dennis Thurman says there will be a three-way competition between Josh Bush, Jaiquawn Jarrett and Antonio Allen to start opposite Dawan Landry at safety. The trio combined for just 71 snaps last season, so it’s a trouble spot. Jarrett was out of the league in 2012, while Allen is only really useful against the run. That leaves Bush as the slight favorite, but the Jets could still end up bringing in outside help. Re-signing Eric Smith is a possibility

  140. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Jets DC Dennis Thurman says Antonio Cromartie will shadow No. 1 receivers this season. It’s Darrelle Revis’ old role, and one Cromartie filled ably last season after Revis tore his ACL. It allows No. 9 pick Dee Milliner to develop in less high-pressure situations. Going into his age-29 season, Cromartie is coming off arguably his best NFL campaign. The pieces are in place for the Jets to field another top-10 defense.

  141. By GaryC on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Garrard gone,hallelujah,no great loss,more reps for McElroy to win the starting job.

  142. By Dr. Frank on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Well boys, now what? I think the Jets should look at signing Trent Edwards for no other reason that he looked good in preseason last year and knows MM’s system. No Vince Young, Leinart or Charlie Batch for us. Otherwise, sign another UFA rookie from somewhere. Let the battle begin! Maybe now, Simms and McElroy will be able to show their stuff a little bit also. As it stands now, MS should start the season and when the Jets are out of it, put Geno in and see what he can do, unless McElroy or Simms beat either of them out. It will be an interesting Summer…

  143. By GaryC on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    We need to kill this fallacy that Sanchez had a world of talent around him at USC,are we talking Patrick Turner,Dwayne Jarrett,Chauncey Washington,Vidal Hazelton,JoeMcKnight,Allen Bradford,have any of these guys made all pro,and to JetFanTom,I will still be checking the draft the next few years to see all these quarterbacks USC had who were better then Sanchez,as your friend,stipulated.

  144. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Really Worried About Picking up a Cast-Off Vet QB on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    So on Dilfer, MJV, Rex can’t possibly be a good HC because he was a lousy player, right? And if you, and scjoe, think picking up a dime-a-dozen vet QB who leaves the team without costing us a dime is a crime, I REALLY can’t help you! Moving on to people react less hysterically, Ira, the fact is BUF alone has two vet QBs in Kolb and Jackson who might be available at the same time Sanchez might be, not that any of those 3 are anything to write home about. But once again for those with Jet Fan Backwards-Looking Disease, the real QB competition isn’t between Smith and anyone on the roster, it”s between Smith and the QB we might draft next yr if Smith doesn’t show enough this yr. “Oh no no, we won’t give in, we’ll go living in the past…”

  145. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Really Worried About Picking up a Cast-Off Vet QB on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    wayne, it was almost 50 yrs ago when Dylan wrote, “The executioner’s face is always well-hidden.” We have some folks on this site who have a little trouble making connections between, say, history, psychology, culture, etc. and, say, sports. This leaves them thinking and posting on about a 4th-grade level, with the best they can do along the lines of agonizing about the starting TE on a team that’s gonna turn over almost its entire roster within 2 yrs. But in contrast to them, you’d probably get what the Dylan line above has to do with Idzik’s approach to Rex. In the corporate world, the greatest good is to kill without leaving your fingerprints on the gun. Idzik doesn’t have to do much to justify letting Rex go in a yr and probably will.

  146. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Really Worried About Picking up a Cast-Off Vet QB on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    I don’t earn my living teaching people how not to catastrophize their lives away, MJV, but I can give you a little help on that with respect to the Jets. So, you say that since Garrard wasn’t healthy enough to make the team, that means other injured guys Idzik got might not be able to, either? Putting aside that they’re stopgap guys and it wouldn’t matter if half of them didn’t make the team, I guess that means we have to worry about Milliner too, right? And Sanchez? They’ve been injured too! And then there’s Rex — that lap-band thing doesn’t always work over time, y’know? This kind of runaway thinking is crippling, of course. Until you can keep yourself from engaging in it, I advise laying off Cimini and the like, who only encourage it.

  147. By scjoe on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    64, first, don’t feel you have to do anything “for my own good” I get along just fine. Secondly, we are not talking about love OR war. We are talking about the NYJ! And I would be willing to bet the farm that if the Jets released Rex, and they went to one of those unknowns, as you have advocated before as opposed to any of the other recycled losers, and he turned out to be the next coming of Rich Kotite, you would change your mind about that “fear based thinking” in a NY minute. (a 180?) See, that is what I try to avoid by making any ridicules statements on ANY given subject. What I gave was a “fair based opinion, not one based on “fear”

  148. By scjoe on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Ira, there isn’t a veteran QB out there who is on the bubble, and on the verge of being released that can help this team in any way shape or form, not for this year and not going forward. So, best case scenario would be to go with Smith from right now and see how that turns out until the 2014 draft.

  149. By scjoe on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    MJV, could not have said it any better! So much for making those “smart” decisions to pick up oft injured older vets strictly because they come on the “cheap” that decision (Garrard) has set this team back, how much we will not know for some time yet. A “healthy” Garrard would have made a true and genuine competition at the most critical spot, now, we are faced with the real possibility of watching Mark Sanchez fumble still another season away “if” Smith doesn’t grasp the system from the get go. 64??

  150. By Allan O'Dane on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Let’s see
    Trent Edwards , Byron Leftwich , Matt Leinhart , Tyler Thigpen, Ja Marcus Russell, Vince Young, Jordan Palmer, Caleb Hanie, Charlie Batch…….

    Trent Edwards would be my choice….. NYJ still needs a veteran qb.
    I’m quietly rooting for G-Mac, the WCO systems fits him. You don’t need a big arm to run it. What you need is a good pass catching RB and a TE who can stretch the field.
    G.Smith is going to have to prove he can ball on the NFL level before I start throwing kudos his way. If we have to throw the rookie into the fire..so be it…he’s gotta learn right? Time to put on the big boy pants Mr.Smith….because I really can’t take another season watching Sanchez under center.

  151. By Dr. Frank on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    I think many of you may be wrong that there is not enough competition for “Golden Boy” Sanchez. I think FINALLY, he has been put on notice that if he doesn’t perform, he will be out. I think GMac, since he played a little last year will be chomping at the bit to try and beat out Sanchez now that it appears he has a real chance to do so. Simms will also think he actually has a chance to make the team now and will come guns a blazing, too. As I said earlier today, I wouldn’t mind if they signed Trent Edwards to compete also, since he knows MM’s system since his time in Philly last year. If you remember, he looked good in preseason last year. Also, keep and eye out on other teams with too many QB’s, as we might be able to get one.

  152. By Dr. Frank on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    I would take Nick Foles or even Michael Vick if Philly cuts one of them since Matt Barkley showed up.

  153. By Mike Jet Vet on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Garrard injury becomes a problem going forward, reason being brings us to Mark Sanchez reason why we picked a QB in the 1st place and Geno QB picked up because MS couldn’t get the job done, Garrard was suppose to school Geno while MS departure was being negotiated, Tom64 you could have fooled me seems like all you do is try to school us on all facts JETS, not to mention going on and on,having an amazing knack to express more useless knowledge then anyone should have to bare, before getting to what you believe amounts to a point, usually by some sort of song, phase, eulogy, A Sops fable, Fantasy, truthfully it’s getting Boring, more importantly irrelevant

  154. By GaryC on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    I know McElroy won’t shrivel do to pressure,he vied for the Rhodes Scholar,anything after that is a cakewalk,let’s see some of our other quarterbacks buckle up or buckle under.

  155. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    If it is true that GARRARD may retire then the real competition at QB will be McElroy and Smith… And if Smith is as good as I feel he is he will probably start. Truthfully, I do not want to see him rushed in as a starter I preferred a slow process for Smith..

  156. By scjoe on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    Allan O’Dane, personally I don’t like ANY of the veteran QBs who are currently on the market, but if they feel the need to add one I would think Edwards would far and away be the best choice. I also agree with you on McElroy, problem is I doubt very, very, much he will get the required reps to show anything. Without Garrard. it is going to come down to whether or not Smith grasps the system enough to win the starting job over the fumbling stumbling incumbent. If he can’t, it looks like another long season.

  157. By scjoe on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    64, question…Had it been Mike Tannenbaum who signed oft injured over the hill, “dime a dozen vet QB” (in your own words) David Garrard, and THEN had Garrard quit the team due to that same injury Tbum knew about, at a time when there are no replacements available any longer, what would your reaction have been??? I am quite sure it would have been a complete “180” from your reaction today. And that is regardless of how much it cost the team. With that in mind, here is one of those old, and sometime useful cliché’s for you to think about…”If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck!”

  158. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Really Worried About Picking up a Cast-Off Vet QB on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, you said there weren’t many good GM candidates out there before we hired Idzik. MJV, I couldn’t care less what you think of my posts, I mostly write them for myself and then secondarily to interest others. That said, if you can’t connect the dots between football and other stuff, I’m not surprised that you can’t connect the dots between drafting young players and building a long-term winner, either. Allan, sometimes I wish I could pay you, this is the 2nd or 3rd time you’ve answered scjoe’s question to me better than I coulda done. Why he thinks any QB on your list isn’t as good, cheap, or available as Garrard sure is a “mystery to me,” as Fleetwood Mac, who I’m seeing next wk at the H Bowl for the cost of Garrard (free), might say.

  159. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Really Worried About Picking up a Cast-Off Vet QB on May 16, 2013 | Reply

    GaryC, I’m not avoiding you, I just know better than to venture into your lair on a day when there’s an even mildly favorable piece on ESPN about Newton.

  160. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Kareening from Karan on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    Stop projecting about Mr T, scjoe, signing and losing Garrard without paying a dime for him isn’t even as impactual and signing and losing Mason, and I didn’t crucify Mr T for that. And this is the first time there seems to be two scjoes in a single thread, as with one post you make this ridiculous charge to me about the disaster of Garrard not working out and with another to Allan ho-hum it given the obvious number of other vet QBs we could pick up. So far you’re behind the Idzik curve on every move, contriving to see disaster behind everything he does and either having to eat crow or engage in reaction formation to keep from doing so shortly after. Right now you’re nothing like the guy who used to post intelligently a year or so back.

  161. By GaryC on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    jetfantom,I will have to check that favorable piece on Newton,is it under the fiction category.

  162. By JetBlu on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    MJV – Because I agree with an informed opinion doens’t mean I’m jumping on a band-wagon. Your argument for Rex is perplexing as you repeatedly scratch the surface and choose to go no further. When did you hear Rex say anything intelligent? Was it “MS will be the QB for as long as I am here”? Or his bold predictions that came to naught. As for Rex and the Ravens, he interviewed for that HC job and they passed on him. Why? Because they already knew he wasn’t right for ther job. Rex’s record against winning teams – abysmal. Rex’s ability to game-plan week to week & manage time-outs and clock – horrible. Is it all on Rex – no. The holy trinity of any NFL team is the GM, the HC, and the QB. One down, two to go.

  163. By scjoe on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    64, I said there weren’t many good GM candidates out there before Idzik was hired? Exactly when did I say that? I offered a couple of names during the interview process including the asst, GM in Pittsburg. So, what are you trying to say or do? I already told you more then once, and Ron reiterated it, people who read my posts know very well what I said and what my opinions are, so who are you fooling? Grasping for straws is the sign of a loser.

  164. By Mike Jet Vet on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    Jetblu64 Rex is our HC like it or not, he has have enough success here being over 500 in 4season till better then any other coach we’ve had to date, my whole point is not what he says not what has happened in certain games, being a fair man unlike you and your buddy, all I’m trying to say is he deserves at least one more year and he’s getting ti deal with it GOT IT

  165. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Kareening from Karan on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    scjoe, I’m not a court reporter but I distinctly remember you leaning at times in the same pessimistic direction on GMs as you do on HCs, although I admit not as much as some others. I doubt I got that all wrong but if so I stand corrected. It would be an honest mistake on my part in that so much of your thinking at times is so risk-averse, like with the “We can’t fire Rex because there isn’t another loud-mouthed, delusional, offensively-challenged HC candidate from here to Alaska” rap you often dish out.Anyway, you’ve certainly aired a ton of weirdly negative opinion on Idzik for no reason that I can fathom. Maybe you feel you have to get your shots in early before the results of his remaking of this team are more apparent.

  166. By scjoe on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    64, it is not about Mr. T! It is not about John Idzik! It is about you! It is about how you can flip flop on certain aspects of a GMs duties based solely on how they fit YOUR needs and YOUR opinions. I ask you questions re: how Mr T would have handled a certain situation as opposed to how Mr Idzik has, out of courtesy, because I already know the answer, and the answer is…if Mr T did it, it is the worse possible move a GM could make, but if Mr Idzik does the exact same thing it is truly “extraordinary” If you didn’t get the point before, I think this spells it out pretty clearly. Is THIS the same 64 who posted here about a year ago?

  167. By scjoe on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    64, how is what I said to Allan so contrary to what I said to you? I told Allan I don’t like any of the current QBs who are available NOW! And I don’t! However, I did agree that if they feel the need to sign one, Edwards would be the best choice. So, tell me, where is the controversy? As for the impact Garrard had on the team by leaving? I was just “quoting” the exact same source you were when you “quoted” what Adam Schein had to say about Idzik. The “exact” same story. I know, he was 100% correct re: Idzik, but he was 100% wrong re: Garrard, right?

  168. By GaryC on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    JetFanTom,it is funny Steve Smith is bad mouthing Sanchez,he must know a lot about bad quarterback play being on the Panthers,I WONDER WHY.

  169. By john fedeyko on May 17, 2013 | Reply

    well david gerrard gone now with goodson getting busted on drugs and weapon charges today well i know we a few distractions but hey we got to some of rough patches we will win a superbowl one day we know the jets will be GREAT BUT THESE CLOWNS IN THE MEDIA WILL LEARN WE WIN A SUPERBOWL IN 2015 JUST STAYING PEOPLE B E LIKE HUH WE WILL BE STRONG WE ARE NOT GOTTA TAKE ANY MORE STUFF frrom anyone love live the jets

  170. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 19, 2013 | Reply

    Mike Jet Vet I made a similar post based on what you have stated. Let me clarify one thing, I am not a big fan of RR as a HC, but I do believe in his ability as a DC. But to clarify what you have stated, the record stands for itself. 2009 – 9 @ 7, Playoffs, 2010 – 11 @ 5 Playoffs. 2011 – 8 @ 8 No Playoffs, 2012 – 6 @ 10, No Playoffs, total wins 34 – total losses 30. YES, it puts RR over the 500 mark and if he has a winning team this year (WHICH I FEEL WE WILL HAVE) HE WILL BE AROUND ANOTHER YEARS. This is why I feel we will have a winning team in 2013: Excellent draft picks on defense and offense, the draft pick stats speak for themselves. Several Undrafted signed players that will make the team on offense as well as defense. IDZIK

  171. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 19, 2013 | Reply

    (continued) is rebuilding the JETS the same we he rebuilt Seattle. He brought in a new and aggressive OC in Mr. M. and I believe he will be running the offense leaving RR to do what he knows best run the defense along with his defensive coach. He brought in Ivory and Goodson (as for Goodson’s arrest, he was a passenger in a car not the owner of the car and like he said he did not know what was in the car, he was tested immediately for drugs and the results was negative, as such I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I feel we can be winners this year and make the playoffs, I know a few of my friends in here disagree, which is cool, that’s what these posts are all about to agree and disagree without the slander. LETS GO JETS…

  172. By JetBlu on May 20, 2013 | Reply

    MJV: As fans, we all have to “deal with it”. That doesn’t mean we have to like it or agree with it. I never agreed with the decision to go with Rex as the new HC after firing Mangini. But, I wanted to give him a chance as he seemed to bring a little swagger to the team that was lacking. But that only got him so far. He is not a HC. He lost this team two yrs ago and never found a way to get them back. He stuck with a QB that nobody believed in and devided a locker room because of his blind vison and inability to change direction. Go ahead and say what you will about me and my “buddy”. Your shallowness and failure to see the need for change make it clear why you want to keep Rex around. You two think the same way. See, I get it.

  173. By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on May 20, 2013 | Reply

    Thanks for your answers to MJV, JetBlu. I posted to Randy that if he keeps letting MJV and scjoe attack me in purely personal terms but doesn’t let me respond in the same way, I’m not going to respond to them at all. Randy didn’t choose to print that for some reason — maybe he feels that they’d crumble if they were treated the way they treat others — so your two posts above were welcome.

  174. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 20, 2013 | Reply

    64 Frank, If you count the 4 playoff wins Rex was 11 & 8 in 2009 & 13 & 6 in 2010.

  175. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 20, 2013 | Reply

    TOM.. You are correct and “NO” I did not count the playoffs just the regular season. That gives RR 38 wins vs. 30 losses. Thanks for the correction…

  176. By RONBO on May 21, 2013 | Reply

    Jet Fan Frank, if your gonna count the playoff wins you need to also count the two losses so the record is 38-32. Again,if you look at the record of the annual contenders a +6 record is not gonna get it done! As I have sais many times “we need to raise the bar higher.
    JetBlue, I’m not gonna pick sised in your debate with MJV as I think you both bring so much to the table>But I will say this; Please dont disappear for long stretches so often because you are another one here who really makes this blog so great! Excellent job!

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