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Rex Takes Aim at Turnovers During Today’s OTA

Posted by Randy Lange on May 22, 2013 – 4:45 pm

Rex Ryan, channeling Billy Martin, feels strongly both ways about turnovers during Organized Team Activities.

On the one hand, the practices now are OTAs. Older offensive players are getting acquainted with new, all are learning Marty Mornhinweg’s West Coast scheme. This is the time of year to make mistakes.

On the other hand …

“I’d rather not have him turn the ball over once,” Ryan said of QB Mark Sanchez, who turned the ball over three times in today’s practice session open to the media at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center. “These are the OTAs, but that’s the pressure we’re putting on him. You flat tell him we can’t have these and all that stuff, and he knows.”

No. 6 sure does know. He threw a pass down the middle that was snagged on the slide by No. 37 — no, not Yeremiah Bell but rather Jaiquawn Jarrett, the former second-round pick of the Eagles fighting for the safety job that Bell left open when he departed for Arizona — and slapped his side with a hint of frustration.

Another pick went to Damon “Snacks” Harrison, yes, the 350-pound second-year DT who was sent into space by Ryan and coordinator Dennis Thurman in a particular look that worked well for the defense but gave Sanchez a Randy Starks flashback.

There were two other offensive giveaways this day, and so Ryan was spreading his pointed talk and tough love around to the entire ball-security operation.

“I think it’s a huge issue for our football team,” he said. “Obviously in that position [QB] you have to protect the ball. You’re going to have the ball in your hand every snap. But it’s more than that. We evaluate the punt returners the same way, the kick returners the same way. Those are areas we know we have to improve in. Joe McKnight led this league in kick returns but Joe’s probably the first one to tell you, ‘I’ve got to protect it to help this team.’

“So,” the head coach said in bringing the subject back to the position at hand, “that’s going to weigh into the decision of who’s going to play quarterback.”

Rex and Jets fans don’t need any anecdotal or statistical evidence to back up the importance of ball security, but for those who do, here is one factoid:

Five NFL teams have averaged 2.0-plus giveaways per regular-season game for the past two seasons: the Eagles (75 GAs), Jets (71), Cardinals (66), Chiefs (65) and Bills (64). Their combined record: 60-100, a .375 winning percentage, with no playoff appearances.

Then there’s this, which hints of the Green & White problem and its cure:

The 2011-12 Jets and ’11-12 Cards are the only two teams since 2009 to have averaged two-plus giveaways one year and not improved on their turnover total the following year. So on the one hand (Billy the Kid one more time) the Jets have been a hard case in improving their turnover tendencies. But on the other, with a sense of urgency and focus, 16 other 2.0-turnover teams since ’09 have improved their showing the following year, by an average of 10 fewer turnovers.

There’s no time like the present to stress ball security. Even if the time is at an OTA in the middle of May.

Rex Cetera

“The defense is much further ahead than the offense,” Ryan said of the units getting back into the swing at this week’s OTA start. “We’re kind of throwing the kitchen sink at the offense. You don’t put up one coverage or one front [on defense] — that’s not realistic in the National Football League. We’re going to throw a lot at them, and hopefully when we get to the real games it’s all going to look easy to them.”

Another mitigating circumstance for Sanchez and Geno Smith in the offensive showing was a group of missing WRs. Ryan thinks Santonio Holmes’ return to full practicing “will probably be more training camp than minicamp.” Stephen Hill was sidelined with some knee swelling, although it’s not considered serious. Clyde Gates and Jordan White also sat out. … On the possibility of adding another QB to the Sanchez-Smith-Greg McElroy-Matt Simms competition, Ryan answered generally: “Any player we think can help this team, we would be open to.”

Ryan, speaking for the first time on QB David Garrard’s retirement and RB Mike Goodson’s legal issues, didn’t go into detail. On Garrard: “There’s still some paperwork that needs to be done. We understand he’s put in for retirement and all that. I would like to comment on him at the appropriate time.” On Goodson: “The organization’s already issued a statement on Mike so I will just leave it at that.”

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75 Responses to “Rex Takes Aim at Turnovers During Today’s OTA”

  1. By Stevesc on May 22, 2013 | Reply

    Deja Vu all over again as Yogi used to say… Mark Sanchez with three turnovers in practice, and a missing group of wr’s. On the other hand, maybe some of the UFA wr’s have a shot at making this team if these other’s can’t stay healthy.

  2. By IRA on May 22, 2013 | Reply

    Yes it’s May but you can’t come back after the last two years and not show any improvement in protecting the ball. Sorry this is not acceptable at all. Hope this was just a bad day and for the next few weeks it gets better. Still think they bring in another veteran QB.
    Hope one of these young safeties step up and grab the job so they won’t have to look for one.

  3. By Jet Fan since 1964 Frank on May 22, 2013 | Reply

    I finally have something to agree with RR over on the offensive side of the ball. Turnovers kill a team. MS is a great example of that. RR is doing the proper thing by forcing the defense to go after the offense. Like he said MS already turned the ball several times at the practice session. Keep the pressure up on the Offense and make them improve at keeping the ball on the side of the offense instead of giving it to the offense. By RR making the defense play hard, they will also improve… LETS GO JETS….

  4. By wayne on May 22, 2013 | Reply

    I am definitely hearing a coach sounding like accountability will be part of his equation.Rex and MS are no longer tied at the cord. And that’s a good thing….for Jets. Not sure what Joe W’s trying to say. Is he saying MS should start because he’s the better player or because of the size of his contract? Clowney is an absolute monster……Y’all should be praying for 0-16…..This team would win with Tebow at QB with that young fella on D.

  5. By Frank on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Gee whiz is anyone surprised? The D is much furthur along than the O I wonder where we heard that one before?
    Like I have said all along this team is not in true rebuild mode until Ryan and Sanchez are both gone and we hire a new coach and he picks his own QB its just that simple.
    So Smith hires Jay Z a brand new “marketing” firm tells you all you need to know about where this guys head is at and confirms the headlines about him. This pick was a huge waste considering all the needs this team has.

  6. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    “Stephen Hill has sat out the Jets’ first two OTAs sessions with swelling in his surgically-repaired right knee. Hill declared himself “100 percent” earlier this month, but that’s not the case. Recovering from an operation to repair his LCL, Hill needs as many offseason reps as possible after being utterly lost for the majority of his rookie campaign. He’s not off to a good start.” This is why the Jet need to sign Braylon Edwards or Brandon Lyold. Hill has a long way to go before he proves he is a legit NFL WR.

  7. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    More reasons why we need help at the skill positions “The Jets don’t expect Santonio Holmes (foot) to participate in June’s mandatory minicamp.
    It’s not a surprise, as Holmes is still considered iffy for the beginning of training camp after going down last September. Holmes’ injury was serious”

  8. By IRA on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Expect Lloyd to sign with SF soon. Honestly if the Jets want to move on from Holmes wonder if SF would give us a player or 5th rd pick for him and then we could sign Lloyd.

  9. By Eli Rodriguez-Take those snaps from M.S. and give them to G-MAC on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    How much rope are they going to give M.S. before someone realize- Hey, maybe he’s not the guy. I understand it’s early and a new system but wasn’t that the same excuse that was use last year during Preseason Games—–when SOME (not all) here declare it’s just May and then it’s just june. If it’s not working next man up, if that’s Geno, Gmac, or Matt but let’s be pre-emptive.

  10. By Andy Greenberg on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Finally we have a true offensive coordinator in place to run that side of the ball. Its not a big surprise that the defense is ahead of the offense at this point. I would really like to see Rex become a “true” head coach and be A LOT more involved on the offensive side. We all know what he brings to the table with defense, now the question is can he bring that to the offense as well. Sanchez, its time for you to look in the mirror and recognize that your time in NY is done!!! BRING ON GENO!!!

  11. By GaryC on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    so Geno is hanging with the Jay-Z crowd,I guess a lot of late night parties are in the future,he better study that playbook quick.

  12. By Allan O'Dane on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Soooooo it looks like Sanchez has started right where he left off…..HAHAHAHAHA…
    3 ints? one to a 335lbs DT????? As a very famous TV doctor who travled through space once said ” My God man…are you insane!”,,, NYJ would have to be insane to start Sanchez come Sept.

  13. By SQUIRREL on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    maybe this was just a bad day but boy oh boy does it sound strikingly familiar. I think we all just have to face the reality that sanchez is not going to work out here. its a shame that this teams rebuilding mode is being stunted by bad contracts. just think of the lack of publicity the jets would have if Rex and Sanchez were gone. that’s how this team used to be when its all business and no nonsense. I still think if there is way to unload sanchez and even homes for that matter do it,

  14. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Sanchez 3 picks & 1 of them to the back up nose tackle! Geno had 1 pick but it was on a tipped ball. I know it is very early in the competition but so far the nod has to go to Geno. It does not seem like Sanchez has learned anything he is still turning the ball over way to much!

  15. By RONBO on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    E-Rod,Exactly! last year we simply swept the early season offensive issues under the “its early””,its a new offense” rug. You are spot on that we absoloutely need to be pro active and do what needs to be done to get this offense in gear. Last year it was one debacle after another through the pre-season and of course that carried over through out the regular season as well. SPICER, great point about Hill. I agree 100% this guy needs all the work he can get. IRA, regarding our discussion about Lal.Again, I respect your opinion, but Lal is the same guy who could not get Darious Haywood-Bay to play up to his potential. I’m sure he’s a hard working guy but working hard is only a part of being successful.Communication is the key,and so far ????

  16. By Dr. Frank on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Well, as many of you have predicted, MS is up to his old tricks already. Not liking the agent choice and attitude from Geno, either. Not going to make a final decision until the preseason, but so far, I think they should really give GMac and Simms a real good look this year and see if they can sign Trent Edwards to compete with MS. Whoever wins that battle should be able to hold onto the starting spot, unless one of the other “young guns” has an epiphany. I like the fact that RR is not letting them slide this year, and he is bringing the heat already! Obviously, they need a veteran WR from somewhere, just in case Holmes is not ready and Hill continues with knee problems and does not progress. Worst case, they could have Kerley, Gates

  17. By Dr. Frank on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    and another proven veteran to take the reigns at WR until Holmes and/or Hill are ready.

  18. By Tom "Section 124 Row 20" Spicer on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Frank & Gary C, First Frank Victor Cruz is in talks to sign with them does that mean his “head is in the wrong place”? Second Gary C Victor Cruz is in talks to sign with them does that mean “a lot of late night parties are in the future” for him?

  19. By SCfromNY on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Trying real hard to not compare this spring to last. Hopefully our new OC will realize that if you only score ONE TD in preseason you will lose during the season. I’m always for competition and I keep reminding myself it is only May. I am not fanatical about McElroy but I want a fair competition to find out if he could be the one. I just don’t want the Jets to let him go and take another team to the SB.

    We should sign Braylon or/and Llyod before they are gone. At minimuims we can always cut them.

  20. By GaryC on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Okay,Tom you have given the edge to Geno already,after a practice,Like I said to JetFanTom,Geno could be the starting quarterback by default,nothing that he would have done to warrant it but the lesser of all evils.

  21. By Dr. Frank on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer, I don’t know what it means for any player. I would prefer the news about him is that he is progressing well, devouring the new offensive scheme, and a bigtime threat to take over as starter this year. I don’t want to hear about his attitude at the draft, what he has to say about anything, or who he chooses as his agent. Especially, since this agent is all about promoting a guy who has done absolutely nothing to deserve any hype. If he makes All Pro a few years in a row and gets us a SB win or some playoff wins, then he can self promote himself all he wants….

  22. By kw65fan on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Where is the competition…where is GMac and simms…no word on them. Are they getting any reps at all. I knew this is going to be one sided with just Sanchize and Smith. So totally unfair. Give the others reps too…enuf already.

  23. By IRA on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo, I hear you we have to be in the WR meeting rooms to know more. Again unamed sources takes shots at Sanchez. Wish all these unamed Jet sources would put a name behind their comments.

  24. By mary kott on May 23, 2013 | Reply

    two things: did you ever notice how many times rex ryan says obviously and we need a stud wide redeiver

  25. By IRA on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    This is Geno’s job to lose if you don’t feel that way you are kidding yourselves.
    Everybody have a Happy and Safe Holiday.
    GO JETS!!!!

  26. By Dr. Frank on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    I agree, why are we not hearing anything about Simms and GMac in this “open” competition??? I want to see if either of them get the proper amount of reps to actually determine their skill level. Also, we definitely need to sign a veteran WR, as I said yesterday. Not much to choose from though. Should I even say it, but Randy Moss is available, as are Terrell Owens and OchoCinco. Do they have anything to offer, or would it be better just to go with a mediocre draft choice or FA? I think Ocho has legal problems now. At least Moss played last year. Don’t know what Owens is doing, but always seemed to keep himself in shape. At the least could one of them teach Hill how to become and NFL receiver?

  27. By DKM on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    kW65FAN dude is there something you know or have inside on, the coaching stuff or jets fans don’t know, your Fanfare convoy for Simms and Mc is almost comparable to my daughters cheerleading squad.

  28. By DKM on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Dr. Frank im not claiming to have an answer to our QB problem but Trent E. can I have some of the stuff you taking, starting him is like holding on to MS for another year.
    Let them duke it out bad or good its not like we have a wide selection of available QB’s sitting home with the capability of winning a SB.
    Someone 31 other Teams have overlooked and the Jets didn’t.

  29. By DKM on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Just to chime in on Spicers comment does it mean R. Cano is going to be the Yankees life of the Party.
    What has Geno signing with Jays agency to do how he plays or what kind of character he has I don’t see you smear the character of any of the other high profile guys whom signed with them.

  30. By Frank on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Yeah Spicer and Smith completed 3 of 10 passes with the pick…advantage Smith? Really? This is so laughable. Everyone Spicer is going down the Smith road just like he did with Sanchez. I can here it now when he absolutely stinks it up. We have no playmakers, the sun was in his eyes, there were no hotdogs on the sideline for a snack….yada yada.
    Ira Rex created the culture(cancer) that exists in the locker room and until someone comes in and cleans it out it will never end. This team has gotten rid of all the high character players and coaches over the last few years and replaced them with guys with questionable character. Idzik has brought that same culture (look at all the problems the Seahawks are facing) so they actually are a match.

  31. By Frank on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry boys but this organization is a bigger mess now than ever before. Look at Indy last year they let Manning walk and still took a 17 mil cap hit. Woody should have fired Rex and they should have cut Sanchez its obvious he doesn’t want to eat the money and the chaos will continue to play out on the field. This season is going to be filled with unbelievable drama.

  32. By RONBO on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Kw65fan, You are 100% correct about the situation concerning the so-called Q.B competion. What competition? Obviously,none of us are allowed to watch the practice sessions but from whats been written I’ve heard nothing of Mac or Simms? IRA, the un named source thing has taken on a life of its own. For me, I’ve heard enough from Manesh “conf.Source”Mehta! I give him 0 credibility as like SPICER I wonder if he just makes crap up to make himself out to be a big time reporter? He and Adam Schein remind me of the guys in high school who nobody picked in gym class who became the team managers as they had no athletic ability.

  33. By Mike Jet Vet on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    350pound D/linemen Nicknamed Snacks picks off Sanchez, who would’ve thunk it,Yes all you Rex haters can blame Rex, Problem is for all right reasons.Rex is not pampering him anymore, he’s sending the kitchen sink, installing his take no prisoners Defense, this tells me Rex is serious about competition no playing around either deal with it or NEXT,

  34. By russ on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Randy, Question why does NFL schedule division games in first week? all the teams are not yet up to strength, why not schedule dnon conference games first week and save division games when they areready…?

  35. By Randy Lange on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    russ, there are only six division games out of the 16 games in Week 1 this year. If you’re asking why the NFL schedules any division games at all in Week 1, my guess is that creating the schedule is a massive undertaking with a number of immovable objects (all division games in Week 17, each team must make a Thursday night appearance, etc.), so it can’t be helped that some division games will make their way onto the Kickoff Weekend schedule. Also, non-conference games (Jets-Bucs aside) can often be unexciting matchups (teams meeting for the first time in four years), so again I’m guessing that a full Week 1 schedule of non-conference games wouldn’t be very attractive to CBS and FOX.

  36. By Jack on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Rex said he open to being in another QB, Why now being in Byron Leftwich I believe he done a pretty good job went Big Ben was injury Charlie Batch done ok too But I would rather have Leftwich he younger.

  37. By IRA on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    Sorry established writers are putting out stories they have their reputation to worry about. Where there is smoke there is fire.

  38. By wayne on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    I recent heard someone say”association brings on participation”. You are who you associate with……Goodson has the type of history Jets should be looking or steer clear of going forward. Hopefully once this thing runs its course they’ll do a better job avoiding players like this…..It can be done. There are NFL teams that avoid them.

  39. By wayne on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    anonymous source says. Don’t know how most feel about it, don’t like it any better than when that same mystery man, “nameless source”, trashed Smith…How many of you who turn your noses up about this one, ate up the Smith smear? Bottomline Mark Sanchez is done with Jets, it’s just that he’ll have to take one for the team…..Said it before start of last year, he’s stilll salvagable, but it will have to happen somewhere else…..Doesn’t matter what he says, he’s a basketcase on the field…..He will do them a great solid if he can help them have a downy for Clowney………..Sensor has that big nasty thumb on the big red button, have to watch what I say.

  40. By Mike Jet Vet on May 24, 2013 | Reply

    I’m with the let G-Mac and Simms compete Folks, Being Sanchez has started with his usual Rocky road, more turn overs then completion scenario, why not I ask ? 1st off Geno hasn’t played one down yet, don’t get me wrong if he wins and earns his spot, then Good luck to him he deserves it, but if he struggles and Sanchez is just handed the job once again Idzik over looking his short comings plus what he did last year, I say that’s what he was brought in for change not same old garbage, if this is the scenario then nothing has changed other then Mike -T and Sparano being fired. Idzik in my eyes he already has 2 strikes on him before it begins, Garrard and Goodson . I know either of these guys are Rex Ryans guys. Idzik and or MM did

  41. By RONBO on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    IRA, in this case I agree about the smoke and fire. The article had nothing to do with my least favorite writer. That said, the whole conf.source thing is just getting old.I do agree with you,if your gonna say it ya gotta own it! MJV, its obvious Rex is coaching for his job and will likely pull out every trick in his bag to keep that job.A big part of that is takeing off the kid gloves with Sanchez which is exactly whats happaning now.The thing that makes this all so interesting is how this team continues to ignore the most glareing hole on this roster.There are few if any play makers on the offensive side of the ball? I can only imagine what this site will read like if the offense resembles last years during the pre-season?

  42. By kw65fan on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Yea Ronbo…as I have dramatized in previous posts Munish…whatever his name is, been hanging around the Golden Corral too often with his secret source now identified as Lucas, Head janitor there. Now exposed tracing Munish to the Mahwah IHOP..very reliable sources there.

    DKM..hope your daughters cheerleading squad is much more competitive than the Jets QB situation. But then there are always the so called favorites that always get in.

  43. By Dr. Frank on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    DKM, I never said that Trent Edwards should be a starter unless he earns it. I said they should bring him in as a veteran to complete with the rest. He does know MM’s offense already, and he did look good in preseason last year from what I saw of him. It doesn’t mean much, but it is something. Our QB position is a mess right now. I don’t think Geno will be ready, and Sanchez is stinking it up so far. Who knows about Simms and GMac? It doesn’t seem they are getting the same shot at the position as the other guys. I just think they need to bring in another vet at a low price just to see what happens, and to me Trent Edwards is the most logical choice right now. I don’t like Batch, Leftwich, or any of the others. Maybe they will wait

  44. By Dr. Frank on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    a few more weeks to see if anyone they like has been cut, or wait until training camp cuts are made. Who knows?

  45. By scjoe on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Just got back from Hilton Head Island. See some big changes here, then again still see same ol, same ol. In regard to the QB “competition” it is quite obvious it is a 2 way competition, like it or not, agree with it or not, for the record, I don’t! But I would imagine on opening day it will be Smith, Sanchez 1 & 2 (in whatever order) and McElroy (who was given no real chance to win the starting job) #3 “unless” there is some kind of market for either Sanchez OR McElroy, in which case you would have to rearrange the math…1-Smith-2-McElroy-3-Simms? Or, 1-Smith/Sanchez-2-Sanchez/Smith- 3-Simms? Make snse?

  46. By Karan on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Right now, I am for starting Geno Smith. I mean they drafted him, so lets see what he has. Sanchez can be on the bench since releasing him would be a bad idea costing ‘mucho dinero’. The O-line is better, not the best but better. I am still scratching my head over why Brandon Moore has not been signed to any team, I was hoping the Jets would take him back for at least one more year. I have a ton of respect for the guy, great player, ya he is 33 but he still plays at a high level. Anyways, sign Edwards already and sign a veteran TE and this offense honestly would look decent. The Jets are a WR and TE away from having at least a decent looking offense. They are already set at RB which is great to hear.

  47. By Karan on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    And for people saying keeping Sanchez on the team would effect Smith in a negative way, oh it would distract him. Please stop the nonsense, it wouldn’t do anything except bring competition. Yes, even though I support Sanchez and believe he has been put in a bad situation by this team doesn’t mean I want him to start OR also be cut. The cap hit would be too much, but Idzik might pull the trigger. Right now, I am for starting Geno. The coaches obviously want him there, many fans do too. So lets see what he brings to the table. If he struggles, then you have an option of McElroy or Sanchez.

  48. By Karan on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Pretty excited to see Coples play OLB. I hope it works, I think it could. Coples, Barnes could be a nice combo, not the best, but major upgrade over last season. The Jets also really need to sign a veteran S. I like Bush and Allen but Landry as the only experienced guy is not going to cut it. Love the D-Line. Damon ‘Snacks’ Harrison, Sheldon Richardson and Mo Wilkerson could be a pretty good trio. Have Coples come in at times too and add in more beef with Garay and Ellis, D-line is set.

  49. By kw65fan on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Well that figures. they were arguing that it should have been number ONE. NFL networks 100 best plays of 2012. And coming in at 51…”THE BUTT FUMBLE”
    Best play…what a joke. Sanchize must be cringing. Steve wyche and Eric allen were laughing their heads off and agreeing it should have been number 1. What an embarrassment to this orginazation and to Sanchize to be recognized for this..disgraceful. And the play…Funny as hell…especially shown like over ten times…

  50. By kw65fan on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Should of sued Brandon Moore for whiplash….

  51. By wayne on May 25, 2013 | Reply

    Final word on Goodson; Think this is a purge year, but can’t unload absolutely everyone. The primary culprits are well known and Mr. Goodson has place himself on the debit side of the ledger, however the investigation turns out……………………Can’t believe there are actually fundementalists who think this Jet season has any possibility of turning out good……..It’s gonna hurt something awful when the reality sets in, but it will be your own fault….Subract players from an already bad team, don’t replace them and expect better….Yeah, that’s gonna turn out juuuuust fine…..

  52. By walt on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    I realize you can hardly believe everything you read in the press but if half the things the press is saying about Goodson is true he seems to be one messed up dude.The recent round of firings of front office pesonnel makes me wonder if it could be because they failed to investigate Goodson properly.

  53. By Mike Jet Vet on May 26, 2013 | Reply

    Walt Ya think, I liken it to our Government. everyone pays except the real culprits….Karan Sorry to disagree, if you believe Barnes could shine Thomas or Paces shoes in their hay days, even now old and slow as they are you’re out there man, What I saw of him last year I don’t think so,well lets just say he couldn’t break into the line up for a reason. and one reason Pace was resigned

  54. By SCfromNY on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    I agree with most that this year will be trying. Depending on how you look at it it could be good or bad. Good; with a new offense that realizes it is no longer 1975 we may score more. Along with a decent D it would keep us in a lot of games but ultimately I see 8-8 as our best season. Bad; Taking the above into consideration we will not get a top 5 draft pick and should Geno not work out we need one.

    I know Rex will continue to say he has a top defense HOWEVER he rarely has a defense that does not allow points. I think our top 10 D was around 25 in points allowed. NE’s 31rst ranked D was 15th in points allowed. We stop the teams until we really need to.

  55. By GaryC on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    Let’s face it,If Brandon Moore took some Zumba dance courses maybe Sanchez would have avoided his ‘BUTT’ Fumble.

  56. By Tom Spicer on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    Frank, I love when your proven wrong you don’t answer the question & move on to a new topic. Also Smith had a pick on a tipped pass & he is learning a new O. Sanchez had 3 picks 1 of which was to the backup nose tackle. This is after working with Jeff Garcia specifically on Marty M’s west coast O all off season being a 5 year veteran he should be blowing Smiths doors off. Every once in a while try to know what you are talking about.

  57. By IRA on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    Barnes is at best a role player and if they can get the same from him that they did from Jason Taylor then it was a good move. I think this is a big year for McIntyre and he will end up taking one of the OLB spots in the starting lineup.

  58. By Tom Spicer on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    Can we stop with the Simms & McElroy garbage. Simms did not even start for his college team he is a practice squad qb at best. McElroy does not have a nfl arm he can not make all the throws he is a nfl # 2 at best!

  59. By IRA on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    And I forgot about R Sapp hope he finally gets a chance this summer. He was a good pass rusher at Clemson and the Jets didn’t keep him around for the past two years if they didn’t think he has potential. He has to stay healthy and step it up this summer. I am not sold that Coples will fit at OLB so there will be chances for some other players to make an impact. Its now up to them to take that next step.
    GO JETS!!!!!

  60. By Row on May 27, 2013 | Reply

    I want TO

  61. By Eli Rodriguez-Take those snaps from M.S. and give them to G-MAC on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    Tom Spicer: No, we won’t stop about Simms & GMAC. This coming from a man who supported a SCRUB for 4 years…………………..PLEASE, you give ME a break. ANYONE BUT M.S.—- I’LL TRADE M.S. RIGHT NOW, FOR A KLONDIKE BAR.

  62. By RONBO on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    KARAN, I think you should have said the O.L has the potential to be better than last years.Right now the projected starters at G are Peterman & Colon neither of whom were on any pro-bowl ballots.If your counting on the rookies remember Winters played at a low level (Kent St.) and the other 2 are projects who may not make the team. As for Coples at OLB, thats another thing we need to see before getting too excited about. Ira’s right,it could be a big mistake. And finally keep in mind,although he’s had a few moments as a Jet B.E’s is unemployed for a reason; he’s not that good! The Jets are not the only team that could use help at W.R. so that speaks volums as to how Braylon is viewed around the league.

  63. By RONBO on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    IRA, I certianly hope Garrett Macintyre is not one of our starters at OLB. He is neither strong enough at the point of attack or quick or fast enough to be effective against the pass to be a starter in this league.The only sacks he gets are results of others forceing the Q.B out of the pocket into him.Barnes on the other hand did manage 11 sacks in 2011 with S.D. which is likely more than MacIntyre will accumulate during his entire career.Now,what happaned to barnes last year is a mystery to us here but mabey Rex believes he can get him back on the sac train?
    But please, no more talk of MacIntyre as a starter.Ricky Sapp has the size,speed & athletic ability to play the posisition but like you said,can he stay healthy?

  64. By carolina jet fan on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    Spicer- nothing to be alarmed at with MS, he’s in midseason form. As for Simms, correct me if i’m wrong but was Tom Brady mostly a backup @ Michagen- not saying he can tie Tom’s shoes but being 2nd string might say more about the coaching staff then ones talent-as exhibt A I refer you to the Jets 2011,12. As for G-Mac, I don’t know if he’s the answer. What I do know is this: he completed the only passing TD in preseaon 2012- he moves the team for the winning score vs. Jacksonville- he might not have a cannon for an arm but from what I can see, he moves the chains. Our coaching staff only dressed him for 2 games in 2012. I’m saying he deserves a longer look but I doubt he will get that chance as he drew attention to the dysfunction in the

  65. By carolina jet fan on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    lockeroom. It appears to be a more grevious offence to talk about a cancer then to create it.

  66. By IRA on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    I have a strong hunch Winters will start at some point this year if not from day one. Oday will make the 53 and Campbell more then likely will be put on the PS since he is learning a new position unless he shows a lot in the preseason and they can’t take the chance of not putting him on the 53.
    Respect your opinion on McIntyre but i think he can play and if i recall he had a nice blitz sack vs the Steelers last year. He needs to improve his run support and if so i think he could be a solid player.
    The B Celek watch is on because i think the Eagles will cut this guy.

  67. By RONBO on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    IRA, on MacIntyre we can agree to disagree as we feel so differently on him. As for Oday, I read on Fan Sided Dailey last week that the jets are more excited about Cambell as physically he is more NFL ready. Apparently Oday lacks the upperbody strength to play inside which will also be a problem at RT as teams tend to run to that side more and thats where he is deficient. I saw him at the SR.Bowl and guys like Mayock and Charles Davis were clearly unimpressed with him. His best posisition for now is the practice squad as he is simply physically over matched at this point.Hard to believe a guy can spend 4 years in a college weight training program and still lack strength? Gotta ask yourself, how commited is he ?

  68. By Dr. Frank on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    If Eagles cut Celek, Jets should sign him immediately! He is an excellent TE and knows the offensive system. I don’t think he is injured, either!

  69. By RONBO on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    Carolina Jet fan, I was always a Phil Simms fan as I thought he was one tough son of a gun. Sadly that toughness doesn’t seem to have been passed on th his two sons as neither of them come close to their dad in terms of NFL success.Chris suffered a devestateing injury( I believe it was his spleen?) and never fully recovered.Basically it ended his career although I believe he made a few comeback attempts but was never able to get a starting job again.His younger brother has the arm,size and athletic ability but there seems to be something lacking as far as leadership,decision makeing and committment.loosing out to Tyler Bray is no crime as he was possibly the most physically gifted Q.B in this draft. I just havn’t heard much positive on him?

  70. By Tom Spicer on May 28, 2013 | Reply

    Eli “I bring nothing to the table” Rodreguiez. Show up once a month take a shot at Sanchez dont talk about any other position or anything else Jets related. Spout off about how great McElroy is LOL YEA OK! I guess you did not the Charger gaem when he got sacked 11 times. Or actually ever see him throw the ball he cant do it over 20 yards!

  71. By Eli Rodriguez-Take those snaps from M.S. and give them to G-MAC on May 29, 2013 | Reply

    TOM SPICER: Just because I don’t post a 1,000 times doesn’t mean, I’m not around. I read everyone posts daily, we all bring different things to the table–(yours, i’m still trying to figure out) If i only talk about the QB that’s because it’s the only position that define the team. After 4 years, there’s nothing left to say about M.S. and about the 11 sacks–some were his fault but who quit the O-LINE or McELROY. I might not have seen him throw a 20 yard just a 21 yarder-LOL!–SPICER- Last year a decent HC would have played Teabow or Mcelroy instead of M.S.— hey i just talk about the coach another position. I’m getting better don’t you think-spicer.

  72. By GaryC on May 29, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo,Winters played at a low level college,Kent State,the MAC conference,Joe Staley came from their,the number one pick this year Fisher came from there,not to mention other guys like Moss.Pennington,Big Ben come from there.

  73. By RONBO on May 29, 2013 | Reply

    Dr.Frank & Ira, yeah, good call on Celek. He would be a great fit for this offense. obviously having played for MM the past 5 years would be a big plus. The fact is this guy knows how to play the game and has killed the Giants for years.This would instantly upgrade the recieving corps. IRA, I think you are probably correct concerning Winters starting at some point this season. Colon has had a rash of injuries the past few seasons so at some point Winters will likely get his shot.If & when that happans I suspect he will run with it and keep that job for a good long while.

  74. By RONBO on May 30, 2013 | Reply

    GARY C, excellent point,please understand,my point was not to belittle the Mac or Winters. Simply to point out that the vast majority of players still emerge from the major conferences. If you recall my pre-draft posts I loved Fischer (even more the Joekle) but we cant get carried away because a few Mac players make it big.As Winters has played T in college and again at a lower level his learning curve may be steeper than guys like Warmack who are more tested in college.Dont get me wrong, I’m rooting for Winters as well as the other draft picks. just pointing out the need for caution in building these kids up to fast.Even Fischer has accomplished to this point.As always I respect your opinion, but we gotta keep it real bro.

  75. By GaryC on May 30, 2013 | Reply

    Ronbo,the Mac is always playing the big ten and have won quite a few games going head to head,it is not like talking about Hampton University where Mr.Ellis went to and played against powers like Delaware State,Howard,North Carolina A & T.you have earned your stripes in the Mac as if you were playing in the Big Ten,Big twelve and the like.

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